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DISCUSSION, n.
A method of confirming others in their errors.
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« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2008, 06:42:11 AM » |
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A fanatic is one who can’t change his mind and won’t change the subject.
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« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2008, 09:07:23 AM » |
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"Finally, at long last, WMD in Iraq "
Old news but definitely worth mentioning again. The "Bush Lied" kool-aid drinkers still number in the millions. They will follow this post with failed arguments and "facts" that have been put to pasture years ago along with Joe Wilson and his wife.
We did not find viles of anthrax or VX in Saddam's sock drawer to be sure. What we did find proves beyond any doubt Saddam's WMD programs had in fact not stopped but were semi-dormant and well hidden waiting for sanctions to be lifted. Don't believe me? Read the ISG report. It's been available to anyone for years now.
Everyone keeps talking about al-Qaeda while conviently forgeting Saddam's well established ties to terrorist attacks and the funding of international terrorist organizations other than al-Qaeda. Bush talked about it often. Somehow this fact has been quietly slipped under the rug. al-Qaeda isn't the only terrorist organization who would love to kill hundreds of thousands of American men, women and children.
We found Saddam's hidden missile programs and his hidden blueprints for a nuclear bomb after years of failed UN and IAEA inspections. It took an invasion, his death and the liberation of his country to compel Saddam to give up his desire for WMD. The ISG report stated that once UN sanctions were lifted Saddam had every intention of continuing the production of long-range missiles and developing Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD). But why take my word for it.....
From page one of the ISG reports Key Findings:
Saddam wanted to recreate Iraq’s WMD capability—which was essentially destroyed in 1991—after sanctions
were removed and Iraq’s economy stabilized, but probably with a different mix of capabilities to that
which previously existed. Saddam aspired to develop a nuclear capability—in an incremental fashion,
irrespective of international pressure and the resulting economic risks—but he intended to focus on ballistic
missile and tactical chemical warfare (CW) capabilities.
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The national security of the United States can never be left in the hands of liberals.
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« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2008, 09:40:44 AM » |
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You get what you pay for America... Welcome to the Obamanation.....
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« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2008, 11:47:08 AM » |
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"Finally, at long last, WMD in Iraq "
Old news but definitely worth mentioning again. The "Bush Lied" kool-aid drinkers still number in the millions. They will follow this post with failed arguments and "facts" that have been put to pasture years ago along with Joe Wilson and his wife.
We did not find viles of anthrax or VX in Saddam's sock drawer to be sure. What we did find proves beyond any doubt Saddam's WMD programs had in fact not stopped but were semi-dormant and well hidden waiting for sanctions to be lifted. Don't believe me? Read the ISG report. It's been available to anyone for years now.
Everyone keeps talking about al-Qaeda while conviently forgeting Saddam's well established ties to terrorist attacks and the funding of international terrorist organizations other than al-Qaeda. Bush talked about it often. Somehow this fact has been quietly slipped under the rug. al-Qaeda isn't the only terrorist organization who would love to kill hundreds of thousands of American men, women and children.
We found Saddam's hidden missile programs and his hidden blueprints for a nuclear bomb after years of failed UN and IAEA inspections. It took an invasion, his death and the liberation of his country to compel Saddam to give up his desire for WMD. The ISG report stated that once UN sanctions were lifted Saddam had every intention of continuing the production of long-range missiles and developing Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD). But why take my word for it.....
From page one of the ISG reports Key Findings:
Saddam wanted to recreate Iraq’s WMD capability—which was essentially destroyed in 1991—after sanctions
were removed and Iraq’s economy stabilized, but probably with a different mix of capabilities to that
which previously existed. Saddam aspired to develop a nuclear capability—in an incremental fashion,
irrespective of international pressure and the resulting economic risks—but he intended to focus on ballistic
missile and tactical chemical warfare (CW) capabilities.
Broken record of LIES, weak evidence and Bushbot BS ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ |
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Yes we can ...and now we will...
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« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2008, 11:50:29 AM » |
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There you go again pathetic... The slogans are correctly worded; "Bush lied AMERICANS died." and "No blood for oil PROFITS." |
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Yes we can ...and now we will...
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« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2008, 12:07:01 PM » |
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They will follow this post with failed arguments and "facts" that have been put to pasture years ago along with Joe Wilson and his wife.
Broken record of LIES, weak evidence and Bushbot BS ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
See, I told you the kool-aid drinkers wouldn't be far behind with worn out slogans. But what are the going to do? Admit they have been fooled? Don't hold your breath. |
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« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2008, 12:14:47 PM » |
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could you post more, or a link, because I read that piece (and a couple more like it I've googled up) as saying all there was were hopes for restarting when sanctions were lifted. This in my opinion is fundamentally different from what we expected to find.
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« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2008, 12:17:11 PM » |
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See, I told you the kool-aid drinkers wouldn't be far behind with worn out slogans.
But what are the going to do? Admit they have been fooled? Don't hold your breath.
Ron from Mars; I don't drink Kool aid... I don't even like Kool aid. I much prefer Welches pure grape juice it has alot of essential vitamins and anti-oxidants.  |
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« Reply #9 on: March 15, 2008, 05:27:17 AM » |
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could you post more, or a link, because I read that piece (and a couple more like it I've googled up) as saying all there was were hopes for restarting when sanctions were lifted. This in my opinion is fundamentally different from what we expected to find.
Once again, we did not find VX and anthrax in Saddam's sock drawer as everyone, including Democrats and virtually every intelligence agency on the planet, believed we would. We did not find the components for his nuclear bomb UNSCOM inspectors believed he was hiding from them. Saddam's Generals were stunned to find out they did not have chemical agents to launch against Coalition forces heading for Baghdad. General Franks was warned, by a General from Egypt if my memory hasn't failed me, that Saddam had every intention of using WMD against Coalition forces. We did find Saddam's hidden ballistic missile programs. We did find his hidden blueprints for a nuclear bomb. UNMOVIC and IAEA inspectors were unable to find any of his hidden programs. None of them. Far from giving Saddam a clean bill of health, the ISG (Iraq Survey Group) report proves beyond any doubt that on the matter of Saddams WMD programs the verdict is in: Guilty as charged!Saddam did not give up his decades long quest for WMD and the missiles to launch them. This is a direct violation of over a dozen UN resolutions requiring him to disarm. This fact destroys the "Bush Lied" screech from the left whether they realize it or not. From the ISG reports Key Findings: The former Regime had no formal written strategy or plan for the revival of WMD after sanctions. Neither
was there an identifi able group of WMD policy makers or planners separate from Saddam. Instead, his lieutenants
understood WMD revival was his goal from their long association with Saddam and his infrequent,
but fi rm, verbal comments and directions to them.
ISG uncovered Iraqi plans or designs for three long-range ballistic missiles with ranges from 400 to 1,000
km and for a 1,000-km-range cruise missile, although none of these systems progressed to production and
only one reportedly passed the design phase. ISG assesses that these plans demonstrate Saddam’s continuing
desire—up to the beginning of Operation Iraqi Freedom (OIF)—for a long-range delivery capability.
ISG uncovered evidence that technicians and engineers from Russia reviewed the designs and assisted development
of the Al Samud II during its rapid evolution. ISG also found that Iraq had entered into negotiations
with North Korean and Russian entities for more capable missile systems.
Given Iraq’s investments in technology and infrastructure improvements, an effective procurement network,
skilled scientists, and designs already on the books for longer range missiles, ISG assesses that Saddam
clearly intended to reconstitute long-range delivery systems and that the systems potentially were for WMD.
ISG found a limited number of post-1995 activities that would have aided the reconstitution of the
nuclear weapons program once sanctions were lifted.
The Regime prevented scientists from the former nuclear weapons program from leaving either their jobs or
Iraq. Moreover, in the late 1990s, personnel from both MIC and the IAEC received signifi cant pay raises in
a bid to retain them, and the Regime undertook new investments in university research in a bid to ensure that
Iraq retained technical knowledge.
ISG uncovered information that the Iraqi Intelligence Service (IIS) maintained throughout 1991 to 2003
a set of undeclared covert laboratories to research and test various chemicals and poisons, primarily for
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« Reply #10 on: March 15, 2008, 05:38:56 AM » |
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Ron from Mars; I don't drink Kool aid... I don't even like Kool aid. I much prefer Welches pure grape juice it has alot of essential vitamins and anti-oxidants.
Once again no answers. Nothing! |
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« Reply #11 on: March 15, 2008, 06:53:50 AM » |
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DISCUSSION, n.
A method of confirming others in their errors.
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« Reply #12 on: March 15, 2008, 09:08:13 AM » |
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We get it Toaster ...Ron from Mars never will...  |
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« Reply #13 on: March 15, 2008, 12:39:31 PM » |
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I know but I can't help but rub a puppy's nose in a pile of scat.
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DISCUSSION, n.
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« Reply #14 on: March 15, 2008, 01:07:43 PM » |
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Ron from Mars; I don't drink Kool aid... I don't even like Kool aid. I much prefer Welches pure grape juice it has a lot of essential vitamins and antioxidants.
Once again no answers. Nothing! But Ronny boy this was an answer. You keep referring to me incorrectly as a kool-aid drinker and I never touch the stuff. Its just another misconception that you insist on perpetuating and I wanted to set you straight on it. Its your fault for drawing your sophomoric talking point metaphors from imbeciles like BillO and Rush. |
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