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« Reply #105 on: May 02, 2008, 05:58:54 PM »


They are scared of a powerful China though China brings peace and happiness for the world after she becomes powerful.

That what is all about? Become powerful? Dude, you should have told me from the beginning, I could have helped you with that.
How much power do you want to buy? 1 ounce....2 ounces? First treat is on me  Smiley

Trust me, I can share some happiness with you, if that's all you are after.
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« Reply #106 on: May 02, 2008, 06:11:53 PM »


you never explained how you went through the government's firewall to freely access this web site.  Wink

first explain that before you plunge into criticizing the West.

    We can surf the internet freely in China and I can access any websites and never meet the firewall you refer to.I don't know whether what you say is true or not.Meanwhile I welcome you and others who are interested in the history and actuality and culture etc. of  China to come to China.
    If you know the chinese language you can go and browse the website written by mandarin of chinese to learn a real China.Welcoming...
    Sometime the media are irresponsible and if we just believe what they say we are too stupid.
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« Reply #107 on: May 02, 2008, 07:08:54 PM »

I'm sure those Tibetans that the Chinese killed are much happier now.  Plus all the ones arrested.  And not mention the ones beaten.  And China will bring peace to all the world?  Your storm troopers gonna come and beat us and arrest us?  God you really are stupid if you believe even a small percentage of the shit you spew.  You fail in your logic.

In USA I see that the some people are suppressed and arrested and thrown to jails.They just protest for their profits belonging to them and they don't do anything for example spilting motherland.Can you give me some explaintion?
     Period of  the 3.14 event occured in Tibet the police arrested some rioter.
     The riot in Lhasa on Friday has left 12 policemen and servicemen of the armed police gravely injured, in addition to deaths of 10 civilians.Two of the injured policemen are critical,The sabotage has led to great losses of people's lives and property.According to preliminary statistics, 22 buildings were set on fire and dozens of police and private vehicles were burnt.
     A few vandals carrying backpacks filled with stones and bottles of inflammable liquids smashed windows, set fire to vehicles, shops and restaurants Friday afternoon in a plotted sabotage in the regional capital Friday.Rioters began gathering around 2 pm around the Ramogia Monastery, and set fire to shops along two main streets in the capital, and around Jokhang Temple, Ramogia Monastery and Chomsigkang Market. At least five blazing spots were reported and dense smoke was seen blanketing the area.A number of shops, banks and hotels were burnt, causing blackouts and interruption of communications in some areas. Shops close to the Jokhang Temple and Ramogia Monastery were shut down.They hit at things along their path, smashing windows, automatic teller machines and traffic lights. Several clothing shops, restaurants, and mobile phone stores were looted. Bikes, motorcycles and cars were burnt down.The vandals started burning the local Sifang Supermarket, Landun Shopping Mall and Wenzhou Mall around 3:00 pm Friday, causing more blazing spots. A Muslim mosque was also set on fire at around 8:30 pm.There were injuries reported in the violence and the wounded were sent to the hospital. People were also seen burnt by the attackers.etc.
     

       This is the peaceful bedin that the west media report.what do you think? you agree with them?
      
        If there are riot which try to split Alaska, New maxico,Texas and Hawaii from America and build a new country or cherish Mexico.  How will you and your country do? Let them do what they want and don't arrest them  by contraries cheer on for what they do.You and your country will do this ? Maybe you say yes,ah
      



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« Reply #108 on: May 02, 2008, 09:14:23 PM »

In USA I see that the some people are suppressed and arrested and thrown to jails.They just protest for their profits belonging to them and they don't do anything for example spilting motherland.Can you give me some explaintion?

Post a link to something actual.  Your flights of fantasy will not be answered.  But an actual situation, now that is different.
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« Reply #109 on: May 03, 2008, 01:04:58 AM »

Solvay and Zhr,

you never explained how you went through the government's firewall to freely access this web site.  Wink

first explain that before you plunge into criticizing the West.


use google of course ;)so you think our government will use firewall to stop us???hahahahaha Grin Grin ;DHow stupid you are!!!hahahaha
Chinese censorship of the internet is widely documented.  While your 'facts' are not documented at all.  http://www.greatfirewallofchina.org/  You are either stupid, or working for the government.  And since you do have internet access, you are working for the government.  I should bother you to come here and lie to us all...


Thank you for show me anohter lie of western media.Still got this message for you justice western media.I advise you don't trust them so much since they lied a lot on Tibet!!!!!Are you able of thinking???There are many other politics forum and many Chinese in it,so they are all working for government?Huh????We will remember they words you said these days,we will remember the rude words of western media said these days,One day,we will prove to you what is the right thing!!!!Because the Chinese lion are waking up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Chinese Stand up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #110 on: May 03, 2008, 05:07:38 AM »

From the perspective of someone inside China, the 'great firewall of China' would be invisible and unknown.

As far as I know, the Chinese government has not closed off access to western discussion forums or English-language blogs generally.

It is quite likely that this forum would be available to Chinese web-surfers.


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« Reply #111 on: May 03, 2008, 07:19:30 AM »

Zhr,

Thank you for let me know your real feelings about the West, and about your ultra-nationalistic views in general.
This is a good learning experience for me, as we don't have too many Chinese on here. And ....no, I'm not interested to learn more than I already know about China.

I wish your people good luck in finding happiness.
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« Reply #112 on: May 03, 2008, 07:21:20 AM »

!!!!!Are you able of thinking???
More so than you.  You need a script from your communist overlords.  I do it all on my own.
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« Reply #113 on: May 04, 2008, 03:07:36 PM »

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Thank you for show me anohter lie of western media

Yep. Everything is a western media lie. China is perfect. Mao is perfect....even if he doesn have to beat the occasional defenseless old lady to death.


zhr - the only one lying here is you. I see you have no response to the China firewall thing or the people you've tortured and imprisoned for stating their opinion.....all contrary to what you claimed.



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« Reply #114 on: May 04, 2008, 04:28:17 PM »

The real US deficit with China – knowledge
As China returns as a world power, Americans should update their impressions.
By Xu Wu
from the May 1, 2008 edition

Tempe, Arizona - Americans are out of touch with today's China. It's a knowledge deficit that carries more weight in the long-term bilateral relationships between China and the United States than the ballooning US trade deficit with China. And as China makes a comeback on the world stage, it's one that the US should address.

Chinese visitors to the US have shared the shock of witnessing a severe dichotomy between how much Americans seem to talk about China and yet how little they know about it. The US status as the world's superpower, coupled with its location, warrants people this type of benign negligence.

But what about those experts who have the power to impose their perceptions of China on others? All too often China experts in the US cannot even speak the language. How can they claim to understand a culture without knowing how its people communicate?

This knowledge deficit accounts directly for widespread and deep-rooted misperceptions about China.

There are three faulty, recurring talking points in the American media.

First, China is a rising power, and a rising power is dangerous. The first part of this argument is incomplete, and the latter part is misplaced. China is not only a rising power; it is a returning power. China, as a united continental power, has existed for more than 2,000 years.

As a returning player, China is composed, restrained, and mature, just like a former champion returning to the title game after a short lapse. Also, if history is any guide, Chinese-ruling regimes have not been considered aggressive or expansive; they were famous for building walls. This fact alone should call into question the comparison of China's current resurgence with Japan's and Germany's disastrous rising path before World War II.

Second, China is a Communist country, and Communism is evil. Repeatedly placed upon China by media commentators, most notably CNN's anchorman Lou Dobbs, this characterization is both simplistic and utterly misleading.

To today's China, Marxism is as foreign as liberal democracy. When you look back at China's past, no alien cultures have uprooted Chinese tradition; instead, they were either localized, or submerged. China can still be Chinese without the Communism title.

Likewise, today's ruling Chinese Communist Party (CCP) could easily be renamed the Chinese Confucian Party (CCP) without changing much of its ideological belief or organizational structure, or even its acronym for that matter.

Both the "ruling by virtue" policy promoted by former President Jiang Zemin and the "harmonious society" guideline proposed by current leader Hu Jintao were derived more from the Confucian doctrine than from the Marxist ideology. Singling out "Communist" as the definer confuses the reality.

Third, Tiananmen Square in 1989 is an iconic image that lingers in the minds of the Chinese. American observers' obsession with this tragic event reflects how deep their perception gap about China runs. There is no question that what happened that summer was historic. However, it was a generation ago, and sea changes have occurred since then.

Those who were born in 1989 are turning 19. What this new Chinese generation cares about is not the guy who blocked those tanks, but the Chinese Super Girl Singer and Yao Ming. America's unyielding interest in Tiananmen is out of touch. Is the Watergate scandal still the dominant issue facing the US today?

This lack of updated information about China becomes more problematic in a larger context. Chinese students are required to study English beginning in primary school. Students are exposed to both American culture and the Western way of thinking by college. For at least two decades, tens of thousands of the best and the brightest Chinese students attend American's top-tier graduate schools, channeling back the most updated perceptions and information about the US.

Although the number of American students studying in China witnessed a huge jump over the past few years, the accumulated knowledge deficits and language barriers are still immense.

This imbalance of knowledge, just like the imbalance of trade, is unsustainable. With the trade problem, Chinese leaders outlined a "win-win partner" scenario, and American policymakers have mapped out the "responsible stakeholder" blueprint. However, no strategy will be feasible if the two parties cannot understand each other well enough to weather the uncertainties ahead.

It is highly probable that the next generation of Americans will live in a world where China is the largest economic power. Are they prepared? When and how are they going to fix this current knowledge deficit with China?

? Xu Wu is an assistant professor in strategic media and public relations at the Walter Cronkite School of Journalism and Mass Communication at Arizona State University. He is the author of "Chinese Cyber Nationalism."

From:http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/0501/p09s02-coop.html
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« Reply #115 on: May 04, 2008, 05:19:26 PM »

The above is interesting.

Especially since actions in Tibet, Internet firewall censorship including jailing and sometimes even torture of those who speak against the Party online and in fact human rights in general --- in other words pretty much everything this thread is concerned with --- ARE NOT listed in the above article as Western "misunderstandings" of China. The author tip-toes around it. He speaks one sentence about Tiananmen Square to mention the youth have changed (and he merely points out that they're older now - duh) but he doesn't mention the causes of those protests. He diverts to trade.

So..like...what's your point?

You want to understand China better? Look up the Boxer revolution. In terms of what we've been talking about there's no misunderstanding at all.



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« Reply #116 on: May 05, 2008, 08:20:19 PM »

The above is interesting.

Especially since actions in Tibet, Internet firewall censorship including jailing and sometimes even torture of those who speak against the Party online and in fact human rights in general --- in other words pretty much everything this thread is concerned with --- ARE NOT listed in the above article as Western "misunderstandings" of China. The author tip-toes around it. He speaks one sentence about Tiananmen Square to mention the youth have changed (and he merely points out that they're older now - duh) but he doesn't mention the causes of those protests. He diverts to trade.

So..like...what's your point?

You want to understand China better? Look up the Boxer revolution. In terms of what we've been talking about there's no misunderstanding at all.
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       I don't know that where the above information "Internet firewall censorship including jailing and sometimes even torture of those who speak against the Party online and in fact human rights in general " are from. You got them form medias for instence CNN or you see it in your own eyes ? Dare you to assure that what you say are truth? So make sure you don't lie and you don't cheated by others.
      That the western "misunderstandings" of China is assuredly existent.That you say there is no misunderstanding at all shows that you don't understand China at all.I guess you haven't come to China so far.
      I advise you to talk to the chinese who study in US or live in US.Meanwhile you also can talk to the foreigners who had come to China.
     Just to be a intelligent and clear person.You will be happy.


In USA I see that the some people are suppressed and arrested and thrown to jails.They just protest for their profits belonging to them and they don't do anything for example spilting motherland.Can you give me some explaintion?

Post a link to something actual.  Your flights of fantasy will not be answered.  But an actual situation, now that is different.

How did your government do for the riot occured in Los Angeles on April 29, 1992 about 16 years ago.
        The Los Angeles riots of 1992, also known as the Rodney King uprising or the Rodney King riots, were sparked on April 29, 1992 when a jury acquitted four police officers accused in the videotaped beating of black motorist Rodney King following a high-speed pursuit. Thousands of people in the Los Angeles area rioted over the six days following the verdict. Widespread looting, assault, arson, and murder occurred. Many of the crimes were gang-motivated or perpetrated. In all, 53 people died during the riots.
       The deployment of a large police force of the US government to arrest more than 10,000 rioters in the great rioting. More than 50 killed, over 4 thousand injured, 12,000 people arrested, and $1 billion in property damage.(http://www.usc.edu/libraries/archives/la/la_riot.html)

      As the senseless violence reached it's peak in Los Angeles on Thursday night, reports began to be received that it had spread to other cities and states across the country.
1.    In Northern California, 1,400 people were arrested in San Francisco as rioting engulfed the city's downtown area. A State of Emergency was declared there and a curfew established.

2.    In Los Vegas, a mob of two-hundred (200) people went on a rampage, setting fires, and engaged in sniper fire and  drive-by shootings. Local law enforcement officials admitted that they were overwhelmed and requested the activation of the Nevada National Guard. The Governor complied and control has reportedly been somewhat re- established. Reports were received of several arson fires.

(3.)    Seattle was struck by mobs of 50-100 people, who randomly broke windows and and looted numerous cars in downtown Seattle during the night Thursday and early Friday. Police say that forty-five (45) people were arrested and five (5) injuried during the violent spree. Firefighters responded to twenty-eight (28) fire calls during the unrest, including five (5) buildings that were termed "suspicious in nature".

(4.)    Further East, Black protestors in New York City reportedly pulled two white men from a truck, stabbed one and beat the other. An estimated two-hundred (200) protestors attacked the doors at Madison Square Gardens causing injuries and property damage. Another crowd of four-hundred (400) black youths reportedly stormed a popular shopping mall and smashed windows and stole merchandise. Shops and businesses were damaged as the "melee" traveled over several blocks. As many as eighty (80) arrests were made and several police officers injuried. Many NYC employers were said to have released workers from work early to avoid further occurances.

(5.)    Police in Atlanta, GA were confronted on Friday, by hundreds of black protestors. This followed a night of three-hundred (300) arrests and fifty-seven (57) injuries. It also prompted the use of teargas and a call for the Georgia National Guard to help combat large crowds of people looting and throwing rocks and bricks. Mayor Maynard Jackson called for calm and understanding, as he counselled college students that had originally begun peaceful protests which escalated into wide-spread violence.

http://www.emergency.com/la-riots.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Los_Angeles_riots
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6udJ5g4Tdqc
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What's more, Do you and US gov still remember the riot on August 11, 1965, in Watts, a suburb of Los Angeles?
In those days, 34 people died, 1,032 were injured, and 3,952 were arrested.(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watts_Riot)
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=SRDvY_anJdc
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« Reply #117 on: May 06, 2008, 04:32:23 AM »

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I don't know that where the above information "Internet firewall censorship including jailing and sometimes even torture of those who speak against the Party online and in fact human rights in general " are from. You got them form medias for instence CNN or you see it in your own eyes ? Dare you to assure that what you say are truth? So make sure you don't lie and you don't cheated by others.

Let's get something straight: the only lying here is you and my source isn't CNN but the UN and the Human Rights organization. Quit trying to play this fucking game where we bring any news source forward and you just sit there on your ass lying to us by calling it a lie. You haven't brought anything forward from China that ISN'T a lie. I posted this just last page and you ignored it. Try reading once more:

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The “Great Firewall of China”: Censorship at the Internet backbone and ISP level
Political censorship is built into all layers of China’s Internet infrastructure. Known widely in the media as the “Great Firewall of China,” this aspect of Chinese official censorship primarily targets the movement of information between the global Internet and the Chinese Internet.

Internet censorship in the People’s Republic of China (PRC) is overseen technically by the Ministry of Information Industry (MII). Policy about what substantive content is to be censored is largely directed by the State Council Information Office and the Chinese Communist Party’s Propaganda Department, with input from other government and public security organs.2 Physical access to the Internet is provided by nine state-licensed Internet Access Providers (IAP), each of which has at least one connection to a foreign Internet backbone, and it is through these connections that Chinese Internet users access Internet websites hosted outside of China.3 The individual Chinese Internet user buys Internet access from one of several thousand Internet Service Providers (ISPs), who are in effect retail sellers of Internet access that is in turn purchased wholesale from the nine IAPs.

Internet routers, devices that deliver and direct packets of data back and forth between networks, are an essential part of Internet networks. Most of today’s routers also allow network administrators to censor or block—or, as the industry calls it, “filter”—the data going through them, programming the router to block certain kinds of data from passing in or out of a network. This filtering capability was initially intended so that Internet Service Providers could control viruses, worms, and spam. The same technology, however, can also be easily employed to block political, religious, or any other category of content that the person programming the router seeks to block.

The first layer of Chinese Internet censorship takes place at this router level. According to the 2005 technical analysis of Chinese Internet filtering conducted by the Open Net Initiative, IAP administrators have entered thousands of URLs (Internet website addresses) and keywords into the Internet routers that enable data to flow back and forth between ISPs in China and Internet servers around the world. Forbidden keywords and URLs are also plugged into Internet routers at the ISP level, thus controlling data flows between the user and the IAP.
http://www.hrw.org/reports/2006/china0806/3.htm#_Toc142395817

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Around 30 journalists and 50 Internet users are currently detained in China. Some of them since the 1980s. The government blocks access to thousands for news websites. It jams the Chinese, Tibetan and Uyghur-language programmes of 10 international radio stations. After focusing on websites and chat forums, the authorities are now concentrating on blogs and video-sharing sites. China’s blog services incorporate all the filters that block keywords considered “subversive” by the censors. The law severely punishes “divulging state secrets,” “subversion” and “defamation” - charges that are regularly used to silence the most outspoken critics. Although the rules for foreign journalists have been relaxed, it is still impossible for the international media to employ Chinese journalists or to move about freely in Tibet and Xinjiang.
http://www.rsf.org/rubrique.php3?id_rubrique=174


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Yahoo on Monday said China should stop throwing people in prison for exercising free speech and expressing political views over the internet, the AP reports. Yahoo has helped the Chinese government jail several cyber-dissidents by handing over personally identifiable user information to authorities. But now that the Sunnyvale, Calif.-based company has been targeted in a human rights lawsuit, the internet giant's PR machine appears to be lurching into gear. Yesterday, Yahoo sent a letter to the AP bemoaning the fact that in China innocent people have been tossed in the clink simply for voicing their opinions:

"Yahoo is dismayed that citizens in China have been imprisoned for expressing their political views on the Internet," the letter said.

Yahoo might also be dismayed that it helped put many of those people -- the plaintiffs allege the number could be as high as 60 -- behind bars by giving Chinese authorities information about anonymous Yahoo accounts. But Yahoo's not. The letter to the AP continues with some hand washing and states that companies operating in China must comply with Chinese law or risk having their own employees thrown in prison. Guess someone's gotta get chucked under the bus.
http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2007/06/yahoo_says_chin.html


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Businessman Cai Lujun, 35, will be in jail for the next two years because he posted essays discussing problems affecting Chinese farmers on the internet.

Zhao Chunying, 57, from Heilongjiang was found beaten to death in a Chinese jail after being arrested for writing an account of how she was tortured during a previous detention.

Computer engineer Yang Zili, 31, and freelance writer Zhang Honghai, 30, were sent to jail for eight years each for subverting state power. They had sent articles of political and social concerns via e-mail.
http://www.asianpacificpost.com/portal2/402881910674ebab010674f4c4ed13dd.do.html

So thats the Human Rights organization, Reporters Without Borders, the UN and the like. Not CNN.


....and it's not a lie.


....and you know it.


....because you're a spook/liar.


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