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« Reply #120 on: May 06, 2008, 05:46:36 AM »

The above is interesting.

Especially since actions in Tibet, Internet firewall censorship including jailing and sometimes even torture of those who speak against the Party online and in fact human rights in general --- in other words pretty much everything this thread is concerned with --- ARE NOT listed in the above article as Western "misunderstandings" of China. The author tip-toes around it. He speaks one sentence about Tiananmen Square to mention the youth have changed (and he merely points out that they're older now - duh) but he doesn't mention the causes of those protests. He diverts to trade.
The political cowardice of the piece is obvious to me too.  Talk about dodging the real issue.  Does the generation he refers to avoid such topics because they genuinely don't care or because the consequences of caring about such issues and saying or doing much about such concern are too steep?
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« Reply #121 on: May 06, 2008, 06:50:26 AM »

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Make sure yourself do your own things rightly then to bebuke others.

I also get some datas about US
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American Spy Satellites To Snoop On U.S.
The Wall Street Journal reports that the Department of Homeland Security has approved a measure to allow federal civilian agencies and law enforcement to turn American spy satellites on their own citizens for the first time.

Until now, the highly sensitive satellites were aimed mostly at other countries, usually ones we didn't really trust. Occasionally, geologists and NASA scientists got to use them to make things like topographical maps. Letting domestic security folks use them to spy is, the Journal says, "uncharted territory."

Officials have been mulling the plan for a couple years, but often bumped up against questions about whether this kind of snooping would violate the Posse Comitatus Act, which bars military for engaging in law-enforcement activity within the U.S., since the satellites are built for and owned by the Defense Department.

Bigtime Baksheesh In U.S. Contracts In Iraq

USA Today reports that a federal crackdown on corruption involving U.S. contracts in Iraq produced a record number of criminal and administrative cases last month, including the largest bribery case.

Pentagon auditors have questioned $4 billion in contractors' bills for work in Iraq. So far, 29 people have been charged or convicted, 7 of them last month. During the last week of July alone, investigators accounted for four arrests, including those of Army Maj. John Crockerham, his wife and sister for allegedly taking $9.6 million in bribes.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/08/15/the_skinny/main3168959.shtml

About the human rights of USA
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The USA and Human Rights

by Anup ShahThis Page Last Updated Wednesday, August 21, 2002
This page: http://www.globalissues.org/HumanRights/Abuses/USA.asp.
To print full details (expanded/alternative links, side notes, etc.) use the printer-friendly version:
http://www.globalissues.org/HumanRights/Abuses/USA.asp?p=1
The leaders of the United States of America are proud to present the picture of being the foremost bearers of human rights.

Yet, they have often been heavily criticized for advancing their own interests and of double standards.
They often have not ratified various international human rights related treaties (and where it has, there have been many, many reservations).
US diplomats were influential in drawing up the 1948 Universal Declaration of Human Rights, yet the USA has not always put (some of their own) words into action.


Human Rights Within the United StatesAmnesty International has long called for the USA to have a greater respect for human rights.

One of the things that they campaign on constantly is the death penalty and the innocent who are sometimes killed as a result. In fact, Amnesty International (where the two previous links are from) has been quite vocal about the death penalty frequently:

The USA is engaged in a cruel, brutalizing, unreliable, unnecessary and hugely expensive activity for no measurable gain.

... There is no evidence that the US authorities have prevented a single crime with this policy ... They have diverted countless millions of dollars away from more constructive efforts to fight crime. And the macabre absurdity is that it creates more victims - the family members of the condemned - often in the name of victims' rights.

The death penalty is a symptom of a culture of violence, not a solution to it. The sooner US politicians begin to find the political courage to educate public opinion rather than hide behind it, the better.
 USA: Flouting world trends, violating international standards, Amnesty International, March 1, 2001


There have been about half a million murders in the USA since 1977. In the same period, 716 men and women have been executed. This is a punishment, these bare statistics suggest, reserved for the “worst of the worst” of murderers in the USA. But how can that be true if, for example, learning disabled prisoners are among the condemned? ... It is time they [U.S. leaders] took it upon themselves to measure US standards of decency against the aspirations of the international community on the death penalty.

— USA: Time to recognize international “standards of decency”, Amnesty International, 5th June, 2001.
http://www.globalissues.org/HumanRights/Abuses/USA.asp
http://rap.about.com/od/reviews/fr/SnoopEgoTrippin.htm


About Reporters without Borders:
      Is RSF a press agency or political accessory?
When the torch-lighting ceremony for the Beijing 2008 Olympic Games was held at the site of ancient Olympia in Greece on March 24, three men broke away from the cordon to unfurl a flag which showed handcuffs in the form of Olympic rings. In the meantime another man rose from the VIP seat and showed a black banner. They were members of the Paris-based RSF, which is headed by the man in the VIP seat named Robert Menard, the group's secretary-general.

That scenario was the beginning of the destructive campaign staged by the group against the Olympic torch relay in London, Paris and other cities.

On April 7, the Olympic flame had to be extinguished several times during the Paris leg of its relay due to the impudent activities by Tibetan separatist protestors and RSF members. They also reportedly climbed onto the Eiffel Tower to display a banner with the aforementioned "handcuffs".

During the Nagano leg of the torch relay on April 26, RSF members appeared among Japanese right wingers and nationalists. They together put on a despicable performance by throwing articles at the Olympic flame and torchbearers.

People wonder why "Reporters without Borders", a self-clamed protector of journalists and the free press, so passionately wreck the Olympic torch relay in a barbaric manner. Does the group really work for press media, or pursue genuine free press? What they're doing has no connection with free press. What they did also makes people wonder if the group is an Olympics protestor or a political accessory of anti-China forces.

Obviously RSF orchestrated these hostile movements against the Beijing Olympics, according to what they have done during the torch relay of the Beijing Olympic Games.

According to the information uncovered by French newspaper Le Figaro, RSF collaborated with American right-wing political groups to put pressure on those enterprises from the US, Germany and Switzerland to prevent Beijing from winning the Olympic bid in 2001.

As a French journalist disclosed in his book, RSF always spares no effort to do whatever their sponsors tell them to do in order to get the funds they need. Trying to ruin the Beijing Olympics is just one of their methods to seek more money.

RSF is not a press agency but a money-seeking machine since they threw their basic ethical principles away. Ironically RSF claims it has obligations to protect journalists and the free press.

Tibet separatists and RSF came together to destroy the torch relay shamefully to politicize the Olympics and go against the Chinese people's wishes.

There's no doubt RSF was sponsored by stubborn anti-Chinese agencies to defame China and the Beijing Olympics. One thing for sure is that RSF will not last long once the truth comes out in the wash and it loses its dirty funds.


Look the racialism of US.How do you white man discriminate the blacks.
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Thank God I am black. White people will have a lot to answer for at the last judgement

Desmond Tutu (1931- ), Archbishop of Capetown, South Africa

The idea that racial or ethnic groups should be persecuted is very popular in the bible. God himself was keen on the extirpation of whole peoples, such as the Amalekites (I Samuel 15:3).
http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/16633.htm

Look this book:
《New Blackfriars》
Volume 51 Issue 598 Page 132-137, March 1970

To cite this article: Peter Baldock (1970) Black Power—Black Racialism?
New Blackfriars 51 (598) , 132–137 doi:10.1111/j.1741-2005.1970.tb02038.x








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« Reply #122 on: May 06, 2008, 07:17:01 AM »

As usual, any issues you may have with anything else here, do NOT address the issue raised to you.  An honest poster would address those, and not attempt to throw up a smoke screen of separate issues.  Can you debate honestly?
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« Reply #123 on: May 06, 2008, 08:03:23 AM »

About Reporters without Borders:
      Is RSF a press agency or political accessory?
When the torch-lighting ceremony for the Beijing 2008 Olympic Games was held at the site of ancient Olympia in Greece on March 24, three men broke away from the cordon to unfurl a flag which showed handcuffs in the form of Olympic rings. In the meantime another man rose from the VIP seat and showed a black banner. They were members of the Paris-based RSF, which is headed by the man in the VIP seat named Robert Menard, the group's secretary-general.

That scenario was the beginning of the destructive campaign staged by the group against the Olympic torch relay in London, Paris and other cities.

On April 7, the Olympic flame had to be extinguished several times during the Paris leg of its relay due to the impudent activities by Tibetan separatist protestors and RSF members. They also reportedly climbed onto the Eiffel Tower to display a banner with the aforementioned "handcuffs".

During the Nagano leg of the torch relay on April 26, RSF members appeared among Japanese right wingers and nationalists. They together put on a despicable performance by throwing articles at the Olympic flame and torchbearers.

People wonder why "Reporters without Borders", a self-clamed protector of journalists and the free press, so passionately wreck the Olympic torch relay in a barbaric manner. Does the group really work for press media, or pursue genuine free press? What they're doing has no connection with free press. What they did also makes people wonder if the group is an Olympics protestor or a political accessory of anti-China forces.

Obviously RSF orchestrated these hostile movements against the Beijing Olympics, according to what they have done during the torch relay of the Beijing Olympic Games.

According to the information uncovered by French newspaper Le Figaro, RSF collaborated with American right-wing political groups to put pressure on those enterprises from the US, Germany and Switzerland to prevent Beijing from winning the Olympic bid in 2001.

As a French journalist disclosed in his book, RSF always spares no effort to do whatever their sponsors tell them to do in order to get the funds they need. Trying to ruin the Beijing Olympics is just one of their methods to seek more money.

RSF is not a press agency but a money-seeking machine since they threw their basic ethical principles away. Ironically RSF claims it has obligations to protect journalists and the free press.

Tibet separatists and RSF came together to destroy the torch relay shamefully to politicize the Olympics and go against the Chinese people's wishes.

There's no doubt RSF was sponsored by stubborn anti-Chinese agencies to defame China and the Beijing Olympics. One thing for sure is that RSF will not last long once the truth comes out in the wash and it loses its dirty funds.
In the west, both people and private corporations are free to fund and organize such protests and don't need government permission to do so.  This is perfectly legal and normal behavior.  I understand how this might be difficult for you to believe as this is certainly not the case in China. 

You seem to believe that the protests against the Olympic Torch were some anti-Chinese conspiracy.  That's laughable.   There have been protests against a whole lot of Olympics in the past.  Nothing unusual or suprising here.

Only China's authoritarian 'thin-skin' seems surprising here.

But I suppose that's to be expected - all authoritarian regimes are ferocious against any opposition, real or imagined.

Indeed, China sought to use the Olympics as a political billboard in the first place - no surprise that others will try to use these same Olympics for their political agenda.

Btw, RSF is a totally private interest.  It is neither a government agency, nor a media publication.




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« Reply #124 on: May 06, 2008, 09:57:13 AM »

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Yeah except there are already 1000 threads dedicated to protesting or criticizing US domestic and foreign policy. YOUR thread was basically, "Why do you hate us so?" and I just answered. So I'll take your lame "dont throw stones in a glass house" retort as an admittance that you were wrong. I mean you bring up some crap about the US and the death penalty. China has no death penalty? Or did you just cut&paste your irrelevant talking point because someone else told you exactly what to say. I've always wondered what life is like as a dog or a farm animal, or otherwise a creature with no freewill of it's own. Tell me: what's it like?

When the dust settles any North American or European can sit on a public forum like this bitching and complaining about anything having to do with their governments and nothing will happen to them. Hell you can even start endorsing all out rebellion online and you won't get picked up for it. Free speech. It will take you a while to understand what that is.

Meanwhile my point stands: There IS a Chinese firewall used to spy on their own and to limit access, yet a moment ago you denied the existence of this. Your only retort is some unrelated story about US spy satellites. So I guess you admit now what you already knew: there is indeed a Chinese firewall designed to spy on their citizens and if you speak negatively about the Chinese government you could end up in jail for years or even tortured. A moment ago you denied this, but I guess you knew you were just throwing up a smokescreen. (of course we should consider that you probably would be disallowed from admitting it even if you wanted to)


As usual, any issues you may have with anything else here, do NOT address the issue raised to you.  An honest poster would address those, and not attempt to throw up a smoke screen of separate issues.  Can you debate honestly?

He's a spook. He's got a hundred links and talking points and worked out strategies to have an official answer for everything. It's interesting to note from one of my links there:
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After focusing on websites and chat forums, the authorities are now concentrating on blogs and video-sharing sites. China’s blog services incorporate all the filters that block keywords considered “subversive” by the censors.
...so i guess IAP must've been missed in the first round of their disinformation campaign.




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« Reply #125 on: May 06, 2008, 07:37:18 PM »

As usual, any issues you may have with anything else here, do NOT address the issue raised to you.  An honest poster would address those, and not attempt to throw up a smoke screen of separate issues.  Can you debate honestly?

He's a spook.
But a very unimaginative one.  He was obvious from day one.  Somehow I thought their people would be better.  This one was a joke.
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« Reply #126 on: May 06, 2008, 10:02:49 PM »

So there certainly isn't much in the way of truth in this thread about Tibet, is there? Just a bunch of terrorist supporter claptrap.

Tibet was freed 60 years ago. Freed from the evil and horror of the oppressive oligarchy that kept 95% of the population in slavery. Freed from the traitor and terrorist Tenzin Gyatso and those wealthy landowners/slaveowners that stole what they could and ran away.

Tenzin Gyatso is not "in exile" he is in "self-exile" and a self-exile paid for by America. He is a coward, a liar, a traitor and a terrorist. He supports other terrorist organizations and receives financial support from other terrorists (Shoko Asahara anyone? He gave the minzhu bailei over a million USD in support).

There is no Tibet "government in exile" - there is only the Tibet government IN Tibet.

Tenzin Gyatso is not now nor was he ever the "spiritual leader" of Tibet. He was, at one time before he sold his soul for American money, the "traditional" leader of one temple in Tibet, but the Panchem Lama is the "Spiritual Leader" of Tibet. Tenzin Gyatso is nothing in Tibet except as minor titular head of one - count that now...1...temple.

Tenzin Gyatso is not a Buddhist since Tibetan Buddhism is not true Buddhism. Mahayana Buddhism arrived in Tibet in the 700's CE and was brought by the Emperor. It was then bastardized by mixing Tantric mysticism and a smattering of the "Bon" religion which was the animism practiced to various degree by the many nomadic tribes of the area before the region had a name.

Tibet has been an integral and inseparable part of China since before the region even had a name.

Seems this forum is filled with terrorist apologists and many for whom true knowledge of Tibet can be carved on the head of a pin with a dull butter-knife.

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« Reply #127 on: May 06, 2008, 10:17:56 PM »

No sense in picking just one post to comment to since the comments are littered all around, but it is confusing.

For example, a firewall cannot be used to "spy" on anyone. They are used to block access. The spying comes afterwards, sort of like what the US Patriot Act is used for in the States. Catch an email and then identify the user and then come that jackboots.

Also, I see several quotes from American govt. funded special interest groups spreading the US regime - whichever one is fronting for the leaders at the time - propaganda. For myself, seeing quotes from useless propaganda dispensing groups like the euphemistically termed "Human Rights Watch" detracts severely from any credibility whatsoever in whatever post their propaganda is included.

And on that note, anyone here care to tell me one, just one mind you, "human" right that does not exist in China? Note I say "human" right and not a political right granted by some other sovereign nation to the people IN that nation, but a "human" right.
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« Reply #128 on: May 06, 2008, 10:29:45 PM »

Great.  More kwality posts from Chinese governmental employees.  I don't know what IAP did to deserve all your attention lately, but it sure sucks to get you mindless communist propaganda drones in here so frequently.  You don't seem any more ca[able of independent thought than the last two idiots.  And where did they go?  Did they get re-assigned because they sucked so bad?  So we get you now?  Lord save us....
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« Reply #129 on: May 07, 2008, 05:32:39 AM »

All this talk it affects my pure, sweet child's mind.  Cry

I say f@%$ Tibet and #@$k China. Let's just boycott buying the cheap, low quality goods made in China.
Then let's see how well "Chinese stand up" slogan is good of anything. Because, let's face it: without the world, China is nothing.

And by the way: personally I will boycott watching the Olympic ceremonies. Only the ceremonies, not the Games, because the Games don't belong to China, they belong to the world and to sports.
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« Reply #130 on: May 07, 2008, 09:54:25 AM »

"canchin". Oh look! Another single minded poster with 2 posts and from the same street address in Bejing. What a coincodink. Must be party hq.

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For example, a firewall cannot be used to "spy" on anyone. They are used to block access. The spying comes afterwards, sort of like what the US Patriot Act is used for in the States. Catch an email and then identify the user and then come that jackboots.


Yeah except that for anyone who can add 2+2 and come up with 4 knows that it's really nothing like the Patriot Act. Not even a little tiny bit.

Please name one US citizen person who has been jailed in the US because the criticized the government online. Not a single one? Tortured for it? No? Not a single one?

Shall I once again enumerate the short list of Chinese who have been arrested for light criticism online?

Then I guess it would be paramount insincerity to suggest the two are similar right? Of course right.

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For myself, seeing quotes from useless propaganda dispensing groups like the euphemistically termed "Human Rights Watch" detracts severely from any credibility whatsoever in whatever post their propaganda is included.

I see so what you're telling us is that it's all BS and no Chinese are put in prison for criticizing their government. Is that your stand? Sure. And whether it's the UN, HRO, Red Cross or whomever they're ALLLLLLL just filling our heads with propaganda right? Ok, well then I guess you're just here to lie and promote your own propaganda agenda then. Thanks and welcome to our collection of "joke posters".

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And on that note, anyone here care to tell me one, just one mind you, "human" right that does not exist in China? Note I say "human" right and not a political right granted by some other sovereign nation to the people IN that nation, but a "human" right.


LOL. You say it like it's a challenge. Sure: how about the right to get up and leave anytime you like? How about the right to have children? How about the right to criticize the government? There's 3 right off the top of my head and I bet you can't provide anything besides a BS answer to any of them. You come back and tell us those aren't human rights or that China doesnt restrict them incredibly if not totally then we're all gonna have a good laugh on you.

Try to engage brain before posting please. Also check out bozo's youtube from before to get a real sense of what propaganda is, k?


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« Reply #131 on: May 07, 2008, 10:02:58 AM »

Ahhh; did the big bad canchin upset the sub-human troglodytes? Life's a biyatch - and then you die.

Deal with it goofs. You know less about China and the rest of the world than you do about that itchy mole in the center of your back. You know, the one that you just can't scratch?

Paid? Wish I was. Nope, wrong, as most yankees usually are about anything further than 20 feet from the front door of their trailer. Born and bred in Canada...you know Canada, that's that civilized - well, sort of civilized, we have suffered a lot from the useless self-serving yankee propaganda - country to the north of you. You do understand "North" don't you? On a compass - you do know what a compass is don't you? It's an instrument invented by the Chinese used to travel around the world, which the Chinese did long before the pox-riddled loser Chrissy Columbus got lost trying to find India and ran in to Haiti.

Anyway, Canadian born and bred. White - but a mutant since I have blue eyes and my ancestral heritage is northern European - you do understand European don't you? That's the place where the moronic cultists came from that first settled Turtle Island and began to murder the original inhabitants.

Problem for you tools is, I've also lived in China for 20 years and I have more knowledge and understanding about China in the tiniest hair on my a*s than you morons have in your entire extended family.

Independent thought you say? Everybody in the world knows that the idea of thought is not something that can be attributed to the average American. Some Americans can of course think independently, only they aren't allowed to in public. In public, they have to follow the herd.

To the other troglodyte, I actually agree. I have tried to promote for several years a total ban on Chinese companies selling to any American company. There is no need. China has loads more money than American already, in fact, along with Japan, China owns almost as much of America as do the Saudis and the Jews. There is no need to sell to Americans...but there is that inconvenient problem of Americans not being able to - thanks the the backward corrupt govt in America - manufacture most things they need on a daily basis.

As for the baby girl tantrum of "without the world China is nothing" it simply shows that you have less knowledge about the world than a turnip does about the rings of Saturn. America is not - contrary to the propaganda you are fed with on a daily basis by the childish pseudo-media in America - the "world." America is one tiny country with less than 300 million people (forget the self-aggrandizement of the frontmen for the rulers of America, you haven't reached the 300 mill mark yet) with only one thing keeping it even in contention as being part of the world - the willingness to murder innocents around the world to steal.

China deals with nations all over the world and America is not even China's number one trading partner. Hey, no problem! You don't want to buy China-made goods...goods ordered by and confirmed by and designed by American companies...nobody in China really cares all that much. China will sell the the balance of the 6 Billion people of the world and your tiny little backward country can make your own clothes and toys...oh, wait a minute, I forgot, if that happened then you would be paying a hundred bucks for a Barbie Doll.

You guys want to debate, let's debate. This thread is about Tibet let's expose some truth about Tibet. Something you quite obviously have none of, but I am willing, out of the graciousness of my heart, to provide to you.

You want to cast aspersions and insults, bring 'em on! I'm not a Chinese person trying to deal with the claptrap and garbage from Americans insulting China but having to try and do so with...shall we say a less than proficient grasp of the English language, you're now dealing with someone that does have a grasp of the English language as well as knowledge about not just China but the world...something poor Americans, especially those that only studied in America schools, don't have.

So, let's debate and expose the truth.

And by the way, nobody in China gives a shyte if anybody in America doesn't want to come to see the Olympics or watch them on TV. That only makes more tickets available for all the Chinese people that want to see the Olympics in person. As for TV, the Chinese coverage has always been better than the coverage on American TV anyway...fewer idiotic commercials and more focus on all of the country's participating instead of the focus on only African-American athletes. Mind you, Chinese people do enjoy the African-American athletes since they are the best physical specimens from America and they are great athletes, but a well-rounded coverage that is impossible to obtain in America from the vacuous and quite childish television networks in the States is far more preferable to what you will be missing anyway.

You guys are just all too typical. You know nothing, and even worse, you don't even realize that you know nothing.

Anytime you wish to stop purchasing China products - go for it. No skin of the ass of a single person in China...but you will be creating problems for the American companies that come to China, design products for sale in the States, refuse to pay for high quality products but instead try and weasel the cheapest quality possible for the lowest price possible to sell to their own American clientèle. The China companies that focus on American clients may fold...but in China, if you fail nobody cares, and if you succeed nobody cares, it's all up to the individual. They will either re-invent themselves or they will get another job. Not a big deal at all.

But as I say, let's debate the facts and the truth...and I'm not talking about what you put on the hook when you are trying to catch disease-ridden fish from all the polluted rivers and lakes in America either, I'm talking about the getting down to the facts that your idiotic and very poor excuse for a government bans you from hearing about.

But the choice is yours. Debate and learn something about China and things that run counter to the insane propaganda vomitous spewed to you daily since you first dropped from your mommy's womb, or just insult...either is fine with me, but i prefer to debate the truth.

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« Reply #132 on: May 07, 2008, 10:09:37 AM »

Thanks I knew you couldn't reply to your own challenge.



Welcome to jokesville. Population: you.

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Paid? Wish I was. Nope, wrong, as most yankees usually are about anything further than 20 feet from the front door of their trailer. Born and bred in Canada...you know Canada, that's that civilized - well, sort of civilized, we have suffered a lot from the useless self-serving yankee propaganda - country to the north of you. Y

Nice try but I'm Canadian. Again you're telling us everyone is a US propagandist: Red Cross, UN, former Chinese citizens now living here, everyone. Fact of the matter is you're posting from the same place the others are posting from so we have no reason to believe you're anything near what you claim you are.


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Anytime you wish to stop purchasing China products - go for it

I see so when you challenged me to find one human right that China is trampelling on and I find you three now it's time to shift into a BS challenge to stop buying Chinese products. Very good debating style.

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Debate and learn something about China

There is no debating with a liar. Until you can admit some basic truths there is no debate.  If you can admit the truth then we can continue a debate. Chinese censorship is nothing like the Patriot Act....Chinese are indeed imprisoned when they criticize the gov't online....and youhave no answer to my answer to your challenge to come up with human rights that China restricts.


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« Reply #133 on: May 07, 2008, 10:22:58 AM »


So another one that doesn't have the ability to understand what staying on topic means?

No problem, let's deal with your...what are they, comments? - OK, let's call them comments.

So you have clarified you have no understanding of the Patriot Act, that's clear. As to any American that is jailed for violating existing laws in America, I don't care one iota. Break the law of the land in any sovereign nation and if you get caught you pay. America has just as much right to establish laws as any other country in the world - and America also has, again just like any other country in the world - the right to ignore laws established in other countries and only adhere to the laws established in America. Not a problem. China has the same right, deal with it.

Next! Should be read as if it was said loudly as if at a MacRonalds garbage food dispenser: No, wrong again. Chinese people are put in prison for violating China laws. There is no other reason for anyone to be jailed except the breaking of a law. If one doesn't want to be put in prison it behooves one to not break the law. Easy to understand.

The UN? You mean the same UN that has tried to mightily to cover up the rapes and torture of children by UN so-called "soldiers" - that UN? The same UN that will not stand up for the rights of the people of Iraq or Palestine? That UN?

HRW is a known paid front group trying to spread the quite disgusting America social norm to other countries and insulting any country that does not want to accept a position of slavery to America. You do read their garbage don't you?

The Red Cross? Which Red Cross? Do you mean the Red Cross that sucks contributions off of the elderly and then keeps 90 Cents of every dollar for "administrative" expenses and giving only 10 cents of every dollar to the people who need help? Perhaps you mean the Red Cross that will only help with strings attached? Either way, you have picked 3 of the worst examples possible and far too easy to counter. Try again.

Again, you missed the point - but even in my short time here I can see that is rather common. I asked for one, just one "human" right and not a political right...and I see you have not come up with one. You did come up with several political rights, I'll give you that, but that wasn't the question. The question was intended to find one "human" right and not a political right. What your political environment grants to you in America is only of use in America. NO other country needs to pay any attention to America political rights at all.

There are laws in China that American's don't have to pay any attention to - although some would be of an advantage to America, but China doesn't try to force her social or political norms on other countries, that seems to be reserved for America to do...at the point of a gun of course if the "others" don't immediately obey.

So nope! Still no single "human" right provided by you, just more useless American propaganda about how American political rights (and China has some that Americans would really benefit from if only the backward American political system would allow) are somehow supposed to be universally applied.

You need to try again. Your score for this attempt is zero.
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« Reply #134 on: May 07, 2008, 10:26:19 AM »

Hey, don't whine at me about the vagaries of this forum software! I write and then I post. If you write something while I'm writing something I'm not about to change what I wrote just to include a comment about something you wrote.

Get with the program! You aren't very familiar with forum software, are you?

Now read closely and you will see that the reply I was writing while you were trying to write, answers your little questions...and then I wrote this one when I saw that you didn't get the plot, just out of the goodness of my heart to try and help you.

I'll hold off writing again just so you can catch up. :lol
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