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« Reply #90 on: May 01, 2008, 06:53:11 PM » |
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Solvay and Zhr, you never explained how you went through the government's firewall to freely access this web site.  first explain that before you plunge into criticizing the West.
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« Reply #91 on: May 01, 2008, 07:42:17 PM » |
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Solvay and Zhr, you never explained how you went through the government's firewall to freely access this web site.  first explain that before you plunge into criticizing the West. use google of course ;)so you think our government will use firewall to stop us???hahahahaha  ;DHow stupid you are!!!hahahaha
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« Reply #92 on: May 01, 2008, 09:05:13 PM » |
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Solvay and Zhr, you never explained how you went through the government's firewall to freely access this web site.  first explain that before you plunge into criticizing the West. use google of course ;)so you think our government will use firewall to stop us???hahahahaha  ;DHow stupid you are!!!hahahaha Chinese censorship of the internet is widely documented. While your 'facts' are not documented at all. http://www.greatfirewallofchina.org/ You are either stupid, or working for the government. And since you do have internet access, you are working for the government. I should bother you to come here and lie to us all...
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« Reply #93 on: May 02, 2008, 06:20:40 AM » |
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so you think our government will use firewall to stop us???hahahahaha Oh. You think your own ignorance is funny eh? The “Great Firewall of China”: Censorship at the Internet backbone and ISP level Political censorship is built into all layers of China’s Internet infrastructure. Known widely in the media as the “Great Firewall of China,” this aspect of Chinese official censorship primarily targets the movement of information between the global Internet and the Chinese Internet.
Internet censorship in the People’s Republic of China (PRC) is overseen technically by the Ministry of Information Industry (MII). Policy about what substantive content is to be censored is largely directed by the State Council Information Office and the Chinese Communist Party’s Propaganda Department, with input from other government and public security organs.2 Physical access to the Internet is provided by nine state-licensed Internet Access Providers (IAP), each of which has at least one connection to a foreign Internet backbone, and it is through these connections that Chinese Internet users access Internet websites hosted outside of China.3 The individual Chinese Internet user buys Internet access from one of several thousand Internet Service Providers (ISPs), who are in effect retail sellers of Internet access that is in turn purchased wholesale from the nine IAPs.
Internet routers, devices that deliver and direct packets of data back and forth between networks, are an essential part of Internet networks. Most of today’s routers also allow network administrators to censor or block—or, as the industry calls it, “filter”—the data going through them, programming the router to block certain kinds of data from passing in or out of a network. This filtering capability was initially intended so that Internet Service Providers could control viruses, worms, and spam. The same technology, however, can also be easily employed to block political, religious, or any other category of content that the person programming the router seeks to block.
The first layer of Chinese Internet censorship takes place at this router level. According to the 2005 technical analysis of Chinese Internet filtering conducted by the Open Net Initiative, IAP administrators have entered thousands of URLs (Internet website addresses) and keywords into the Internet routers that enable data to flow back and forth between ISPs in China and Internet servers around the world. Forbidden keywords and URLs are also plugged into Internet routers at the ISP level, thus controlling data flows between the user and the IAP.
http://www.hrw.org/reports/2006/china0806/3.htm#_Toc142395817Around 30 journalists and 50 Internet users are currently detained in China. Some of them since the 1980s. The government blocks access to thousands for news websites. It jams the Chinese, Tibetan and Uyghur-language programmes of 10 international radio stations. After focusing on websites and chat forums, the authorities are now concentrating on blogs and video-sharing sites. China’s blog services incorporate all the filters that block keywords considered “subversive” by the censors. The law severely punishes “divulging state secrets,” “subversion” and “defamation” - charges that are regularly used to silence the most outspoken critics. Although the rules for foreign journalists have been relaxed, it is still impossible for the international media to employ Chinese journalists or to move about freely in Tibet and Xinjiang. http://www.rsf.org/rubrique.php3?id_rubrique=174 Yahoo on Monday said China should stop throwing people in prison for exercising free speech and expressing political views over the internet, the AP reports. Yahoo has helped the Chinese government jail several cyber-dissidents by handing over personally identifiable user information to authorities. But now that the Sunnyvale, Calif.-based company has been targeted in a human rights lawsuit, the internet giant's PR machine appears to be lurching into gear. Yesterday, Yahoo sent a letter to the AP bemoaning the fact that in China innocent people have been tossed in the clink simply for voicing their opinions:
"Yahoo is dismayed that citizens in China have been imprisoned for expressing their political views on the Internet," the letter said.
Yahoo might also be dismayed that it helped put many of those people -- the plaintiffs allege the number could be as high as 60 -- behind bars by giving Chinese authorities information about anonymous Yahoo accounts. But Yahoo's not. The letter to the AP continues with some hand washing and states that companies operating in China must comply with Chinese law or risk having their own employees thrown in prison. Guess someone's gotta get chucked under the bus. http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2007/06/yahoo_says_chin.htmlWhat do you have to say now? Still laughing? Don't be surprised if some of those links don't work for you  Is this just western media lying? No I think it's your glorious party whose lying. I think it's YOU whose lying. You're a spook or you wouldnt be here, simple as that. And what do you spooks do with that firewall and surveillance? Businessman Cai Lujun, 35, will be in jail for the next two years because he posted essays discussing problems affecting Chinese farmers on the internet.
Zhao Chunying, 57, from Heilongjiang was found beaten to death in a Chinese jail after being arrested for writing an account of how she was tortured during a previous detention.
Computer engineer Yang Zili, 31, and freelance writer Zhang Honghai, 30, were sent to jail for eight years each for subverting state power. They had sent articles of political and social concerns via e-mail. http://www.asianpacificpost.com/portal2/402881910674ebab010674f4c4ed13dd.do.htmlSo your glorious "People's Party" likes to beat old women to death eh? You must be so proud. Yeah laugh it up. Ahk
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« Reply #94 on: May 02, 2008, 04:53:53 PM » |
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Of course the CIA loves to stir up trouble in China if it can. But you need to actually back up a claim like 'Some datas shows the Tibet event occured on March 14 has to do with the CIA.' and by back it up I mean show actual proof. Not your usual 'we all know' bullshit. Back up what you say, or STFU.
Look the following http://www.takhli.org/rjw/tibet.htmFrom jpoplar@my-dejanews.com Organization Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Date Sun, 26 Jul 1998 21:03:51 GMT Newsgroups talk.politics.tibet http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0CEFD61538F931A35753C1A96E958260&scp=4&sq=tibet+cia&st=nytWorld News Briefs; Dalai Lama Group Says It Got Money From C.I.A. Published: October 2, 1998 The Dalai Lama's administration acknowledged today that it received $1.7 million a year in the 1960's from the Central Intelligence Agency, but denied reports that the Tibetan leader benefited personally from an annual subsidy of $180,000.
The money allocated for the resistance movement was spent on training volunteers and paying for guerrilla operations against the Chinese, the Tibetan government-in-exile said in a statement. It added that the subsidy earmarked for the Dalai Lama was spent on setting up offices in Geneva and New York and on international lobbying.
The Dalai Lama, 63, a revered spiritual leader both in his Himalayan homeland and in Western nations, fled Tibet in 1959 after a failed uprising against a Chinese military occupation, which began in 1950.
The decade-long covert program to support the Tibetan independence movement was part of the C.I.A.'s worldwide effort to undermine Communist governments, particularly in the Soviet Union and China.
CIA's involvement in Tibet during the cold war was well known to knowledgable readers in this group, although the inside stories were scarce. Since Dalai Lama started so-called "non-violent" approach, he and his followers don't want people to know their dirty laundry. However, those who were involved started to talk, for variuos reasons. Following story tells us the deep involvement of CIA and cooperation between Taiwan, India, and Tibetans. Now, "non-violent" approach has got them to nowhere, except a Nobel Peace Prize that fell on Dalai Lama's lap and two Hollywood box-office bombs, they are longing once again for those good old violence. Well, could Hollywood + violence achieve what CIA + violence couldn't achieve?
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Copyright 1997 The American Spectator The American Spectator December, 1997 SECTION: FEATURE The Secret War Over Tibet A story of Cold War heroism -- and Kennedy administration cowardice and betrayal.
John B. Roberts II John B. Roberts II is a television producer and freelance journalist.
The Dalai Lama, the spiritual leader of Tibetan Buddhism, doesn't want his secrets revealed. He has given his blessing to a new Hollywood film, Kundun, enshrining the officially sanctioned and sanitized history of his country's battle for independence against Communist China. And in another Hollywood Tibetan epic, based on the memoirs of German mountaineer Heinrich Harrer, actor Brad Pitt re-enacts a spiritual odyssey with the Dalai Lama in Tibet's remote and mysterious mountain kingdom.
What neither film portrays are facts about the true adventures -- and tragedy -- of Tibetan freedom fighters that have remained secret for decades. But thanks to the willingness of a handful of former diplomats, military special operations personnel, and intelligence officials, the real story of America's secret war in Tibet can now be told.
Officials at the Central Intelligence Agency were unusually helpful in the research for this article, although it reports events that are still classified today. Perhaps they were motivated by the desire to prevent Hollywood's propagation of revisionist histories about what really happened in Tibet. Or perhaps this is one of those rare occasions when the Central Intelligence Agency decides to take some well-deserved credit for one of its successes by revealing tidbits from its secret history.
But don't expect the Clinton administration to declassify the Tibetan operation files anytime soon. The secret archives include a shameful episode involving Clinton's favorite presidency, the Kennedy administration, and Democratic icon John Kenneth Galbraith. One of the best-kept secrets of the Tibetan War is Ambassador Galbraith's role in the abandonment of an army of Tibetan guerrillas caught in a pitched battle. While special operations Air Force planes stood by to parachute ammunition and supplies to the Tibetan freedom fighters, Galbraith refused to give permission for the CIA to resupply its covert Tibetan army. Cut off and surrounded, between six and eight thousand Tibetans were annihilated by the Chinese in a massacre that has been shrouded in secrecy for more than thirty years.
The parallels to the Cuban Bay of Pigs fiasco are eerie. In both cases the Eisenhower administration originally launched the covert programs to train freedom fighters to resist Communist domination. In both the guerrillas depended on U.S. support for arms and ammunition. In Tibet, as in Cuba, only air support and airdrops of supplies could help trapped men fight their way out of desperate situations. In both cases, when the freedom fighters were at their moment of greatest peril, the Kennedy administration chose to abandon them. This is the true story of how the Tibetan operation began in glory, and ended in shame.
After Mao Tse-tung and the Peoples Liberation Army pushed the Nationalist Chinese off the mainland in the late 1940's, Peking turned its attention to consolidating its territory. In the summer of 1950, skirmishing at border posts broke out between China and Tibet. Using this fighting as a pretext, China invaded Tibet with more than 80,000 troops.
Tibet's army was tiny and poorly equipped. Efforts to resist the Chinese alone would have been futile. Tibet needed allies, it needed to buy time, and most of all it needed arms.
It is hard to imagine today, in an age of satellites and the Internet, how remote Tibet was in the fifties. Communications had to be relayed by messenger over mountain passes. In desperation, Tibet sent emissaries abroad to negotiate on three separate tracks. Some delegations sought an accommodation with China, on terms that would maintain some autonomy for Tibet. Others explored the possibility of asylum and financial support for the Dalai Lama and his retinue. Still others sought diplomatic support for Tibet's independence, and military weapons for armed resistance.
Today, with our emphasis on Tibet's human rights situation, it may surprise many to think of the Buddhist kingdom seeking arms to fight China. Owing largely to the Vietnam war era television images of self- immolating Buddhist monks, many Americans mistakenly believe that all Buddhists practice non-violence and passive resistance. But Tibetan Buddhism, as practiced by its monks and the people of Tibet, did not shy from violence.
By early 1951, Tibet's emissaries had made contact with American diplomats in neighboring India. A delegation speaking in the name of the Dalai Lama asked for support for Tibet's independence, and inquired whether the U.S. would shoulder the costs of the Dalai Lama and several hundred followers in exile.
Tibet's request was handled at the top levels of the U.S. government. Secretary of State Dean Acheson sent top-secret cables to embassies in Ceylon, Thailand, and India, instructing ambassadors to sound out the prospects for asylum for the Dalai Lama. America's support for Chiang Kai-Shek's Chinese Nationalists on Formosa complicated matters. Like Communist China, the Nationalists also viewed Tibet as a historic part of the Chinese empire. Stopping the Communist conquest of Tibet was attractive to the U.S., but not if it would alienate Chiang Kai-shek, who opposed Tibetan independence. But one thing was clear from the beginning. The U.S. wanted the Dalai Lama to lead his country's resistance against the Chinese. A secret cable from 1951 reveals that Washington encouraged the Dalai Lama to "remain in (a) country near Tibet for purpose of mounting resistance to Chinese Communists within Tibet." The more immediate problem was how to support Tibet's resistance war.
In the early 1950's, there were no secure channels of communication between the U.S. and Tibet. American diplomats had little knowledge of the Dalai Lama's retinue. They didn't know who could be trusted to safely and accurately convey messages, and who might be a Chinese agent. Sending written notes the Chinese might intercept was risky. As a result, it took months to relay oral messages back and forth to the Dalai Lama over the mountainous reaches of Tibet.
A top secret telegram from Secretary of State Acheson to the U. S. Embassy in India gives a sense of this difficulty: "Info Contel 91 July 31 and Embtel 440 (rptd Cal unnumbered) Aug 1 suggests unreliable intermediaries figured critically in failure effort persuade DL leave Yatung....Believe it unwise advise any Tibetan to receive this msg prior actual communication."
The message Acheson referred to in his cable confirmed America's standing offer to the Dalai Lama: "our original position -- full aid and assistance to you when you come out." Acheson wanted U.S. aid conditioned on the Dalai Lama's agreement to leave Tibet. The Dalai Lama was told that while American planes couldn't fly into Lhasa to take him into exile, the U.S. would do all it could to aid him in fleeing Tibet.
The Tibetan emissaries wanted arms. A secret cable from November 15, 1951, reports the U.S. reply: "...suggestions for overt US provision of planes, arms, supplies and leadership are practically impossible and politically undesirable at this time....US shld make at least one final effort by letter or oral messages to encourage DL to resist in ways best known to Tib Govt....Although it may not be feasible, DL might for example make pilgrimage to Buddhist shrines in Tib from one of which he might escape southward to Ind."
Where others saw diplomatic quandaries, CIA deputy director Allen Dulles recognized opportunity. A veteran of "Wild Bill" Donovan's Office of Strategic Services, America's clandestine predecessor to the CIA, Dulles gained field experience during World War II as the OSS hustled to organize U.S. spying and sabotage operations. OSS specialized in behind-the-lines support to resistance movements across Nazi-occupied Europe, parachuting agents, supplies, and officers deep behind enemy lines. Some OSS officers were old China hands, and had fought alongside Mao Tse-tung's forces against the Japanese. OSS veterans like Dulles had the mindset and experience to run guerrilla operations behind Chinese lines.
At the time of Tibet's invasion, Allen Dulles was CIA's Deputy Director of Plans, with responsibilities that included overseeing all CIA covert operations. While the State Department temporized about how much aid to give the Dalai Lama before he left Tibet, Dulles began to explore arming and training the Tibetan resistance.
Weapons were a problem. Covert aid required arms that could not be traced to the United States. To cloak their origin, guns had to be compatible with Chinese military stocks. As a bonus, compatible guns meant Tibetan rebels could use captured Chinese ammunition. Thirty years later in Nicaragua, CIA planners faced the same challenge when they had to find Soviet weapons to supply the contras. When Israel invaded Lebanon and seized PLO warehouses full of Soviet-supplied weapons, the CIA rapidly transported the captured arms to Nicaragua's freedom fighters.
But in the early 1950's, the weapons Dulles needed were German. During the decades of war-lordism that befell China in the twenties and thirties, German guns were widely used throughout the country. CIA cabled U.S. military attach s across Europe, asking them to report back on inventories of captured Nazi arms. But the CIA had little bureaucratic clout in the early days of its existence, and the Defense Department was unresponsive.
Sam Cummings, now an internationally known arms dealer, was then a young weapons expert in CIA's Office of Scientific Intelligence. His office received a routine copy of the Defense Department report, and he knew immediately that it was wrong. Cummings had been in Europe shortly after World War II, and had seen stockpiles of Nazi arms himself. He sent his superiors a memo that claimed there were plenty of surplus guns stashed in Europe.
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The article so long and I have to post it dividually. http://www.takhli.org/rjw/tibet.htmFrom jpoplar@my-dejanews.com Organization Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Date Sun, 26 Jul 1998 21:03:51 GMT Newsgroups talk.politics.tibet A few weeks later, the young analyst was summoned to meet with Dulles. Richard Helms, who would later be CIA director when the Tibet war ground to an end, ushered the 24-year-old Cummings into Dulles's office. Cummings was persuasive, and soon found himself on a clandestine mission in Europe. Accompanied by a Hollywood cinematographer named Leo Lippe, and under the flimsy pretext of needing Nazi weapons for use as props in a series of war movies, he spent 1951 and 1952 moving around Europe purchasing old Nazi arms for the CIA. Cummings found plenty of surplus German Mausers and other weapons for Dulles's secret armies.
For almost fifty years, the record of Dulles's clandestine operation has remained buried in the government's secret archives. After he became CIA director in 1953, Allen Dulles oversaw the creation of an audacious covert program involving tens of thousands of Tibetan freedom fighters who fought courageously against China's People's Liberation Army in a decade-long struggle for independence. The scale of Dulles's covert war dwarfed William Casey and President Reagan's aid to Nicaragua's contras, but both programs had their roots in the experience that former OSS officers Allen Dulles and Bill Casey shared running World War II's clandestine liberation wars behind enemy lines.
Throughout the fifties Tibetan refugees trickled into neighboring Nepal, ripe for recruitment by the CIA. Under the Eisenhower administration, Dulles got permission to train the recruits in OSS-type sabotage techniques, demolition, and most importantly, code-and-cipher work for radio operators. Eager Tibetans were flown from the refugee camps in Dakota transport airplanes with blacked-out windows halfway across the world to Camp Hale, an army training base taken over by the CIA near Leadville, Colorado. There they were trained in the basic doctrines of guerrilla warfare, tactical small-arms use, explosives, and the tradecraft of underground resistance movements. The CIA trainees were then flown back to base camps in Nepal, and infiltrated back into Tibet.
Soon Tibetan resistance armies like the Chushi Gangdruk, a force of freedom fighters headed by Andruk Gonpo Tashi, were in the field. The name Chushi Gangdruk means "Four Rivers, Six Ranges," and describes the Tibetan homeland of Tashi's fighters. Although its numbers were small compared to the divisions of the People's Liberation Army, the CIA regarded them as an effective fighting force. A memo from Dulles to the White House summarized the Agency's view of its guerrillas:
The Tibetans, particularly the Khambas, Goloks, and other tribes of East Tibet, are a fierce, brave and warlike people. Battle in defense of their religion and the Dalai Lama is looked upon as a means of achieving merit toward their next reincarnation.
By the late 1950's the CIA had plenty of assets inside Tibet. These included agents, paramilitary troops, and commanders. The number of Tibetan freedom fighters had risen to the tens of thousands.
Tibet's mountains meant the only practical way to get supplies to the freedom fighters was by air. Colonel Harry "Heinie" Aderholt's air commandos, an elite Air Force unit tasked with supporting the CIA's special missions since the Korean War, was tapped for the job. The resupply line to Tibet started in Okinawa, the closest secure transshipment point the CIA could use in moving the clandestine arms purchases. From Okinawa, Aderholt's planes shipped the arms to a forward operating base at Takhli, Thailand. From Thailand, C-130 aircraft flew men and supplies over Indian airspace for parachute drops into Chinese-occupied Tibet.
The mountain flying, unaided by radar and modern instrument navigational systems, was hazardous even in good conditions. Diplomatic considerations made it even more complicated. Because the route involved overflights of India, there was always a risk that a plane would go down in Indian territory. Prime Minister Nehru's relations with the neighboring Chinese were complex, but they were certain to be badly strained if China interpreted the overflights as tacit Indian support for the secret war. In the late fifties and early sixties, Nehru was becoming increasingly cooperative with the Soviet Union, and a breach with China might have furthered India's pro-Soviet tilt.
In view of this delicate balancing act, the U.S. could not afford to create a diplomatic incident by losing a planeload of covert weapons in India. It was critical that the U.S. supply flights go off without any hitches. Air Force Major Larry Ropka, said to be "CIA's finest aerial infiltration planner," handled the operation. Ropka had a reputation as a detail-sweating perfectionist. Throughout the entire Tibetan airdrop operation, Ropka never lost a single airplane.
But by far the most important CIA asset was an agent named Gyalo Thondup, elder brother to the Dalai Lama. Although he has remained in his brother's shadow, Thondup's role in Tibet's fight for freedom is unsurpassed. He was vital not only to CIA paramilitary operations in Tibet, but to the Dalai Lama's safe flight into exile. Thanks to Thondup's liaison with the CIA, the Chinese were prevented from capturing the Dalai Lama. " Gyalo Thondup was a good agent," says the retired CIA officer who met clandestinely with the Dalai Lama's brother to plan the exodus from Tibet. " He was smart, articulate."
Thondup's case officer spent a career in the CIA. When he discusses the Tibetan operation, he is still careful to shelter confidences. " I've sort of trained myself to forget about the operational detail," he explains. "You don't talk very much about specific operational details, or even specific operations, for anyone who's alive..."
The beginning of the end came in March, 1959, when a general uprising known in intelligence annals as the "Tibetan Rebellion" broke out. Many factors fueled the uprising, including unthinkable Chinese barbarities, communal land policies, and the crowding of refugees into the capital city of Lhasa. But the sparks that ignited the tinder were rumors that China was about to kidnap the Dalai Lama. Some 30,000 Tibetans flocked to the gates of the Dalai Lama's palace to protect him. In response, the Chinese shelled the crowd with artillery.
The crisis was a turning point for Tibetan diplomacy, which for eight years had sought an accommodation with China. With no accommodation possible, the Dalai Lama took up the standing American offer of help in getting out of Tibet.
CIA -trained Chushi Gangdruk fighters were strategically deployed along a southern route leading from Lhasa across the Himalayas to India. Their orders were to prevent any Chinese pursuit, blocking key passes along the southern route, and fighting to hold them as long as necessary while the Dalai Lama and his entourage made their way to safety on horseback.
The Dalai Lama's trek lasted from mid-March until the beginning of April. During the entire trip through the remote mountains of Tibet, CIA -trained radio operators sent daily progress reports to Allen Dulles. Coded radio messages were broadcast from Tibet's peaks to CIA listening posts on Okinawa, and then relayed to Washington, where Dulles anxiously monitored the day-by-day movements during the two-week-long trek.
In briefing the National Security Council on March 26, 1959, Dulles confidently predicted that "we have every reason to hope that the Dalai Lama will get out of Tibet fairly soon." To be precise, Washington had only five more days to wait for the Dalai Lama's safe emergence in India.
Nowhere, perhaps, was the Dalai Lama's progress more anxiously tracked than at the U.S. Embassy in India. That is where Gyalo Thondup's CIA control officer and Ambassador Ellsworth Bunker awaited the Dalai Lama's arrival. The clandestine radio broadcasts, once relayed to Washington, were then retransmitted to the CIA Station in New Delhi. By March's end the wait was over.
On April 1, with confirmation that the Dalai Lama was safely out of Tibet, CIA Director Dulles sent a memo to President Eisenhower summarizing the Tibetan operation. The memo noted that new plans were being developed for Tibet's resistance.
But before April was over, conditions for the resistance had deteriorated badly. A month of fighting between the Chinese and Tibetan resistance in the south near the Dalai Lama's route into exile had virtually decimated the guerrillas. Captured Chinese documents estimated that as many as 85,000 Tibetans had been killed in the fighting. Pockets of resistance were short on food, supplies, and hope. Many guerrillas wanted to flee into India.
The backbone of the rebellion had been smashed. It took Dulles and the CIA months to find any effective resistance forces left inside Tibet. When they succeeded, the recruits came mainly from Eastern Tibet, tribal peoples known as the Khambas.
Again, the Dakota aircraft transported willing novices from base camps in Nepal to Colorado for training, and Aderholt's clandestine air force planes parachuted trained men and supplies back into Tibet. But few expected the remaining Tibetan freedom fighters to win independence. They were valued mainly for their utility in harassing the Chinese -- and for the intelligence, including captured documents, they could provide to CIA.
"When you're summing up the Tibetan operation," one of Gyalo Thondup's former case officers says, "there are three phases. Intelligence. Paramilitary. Political action.
"It was a combination of running the guerrilla warfare, which we knew was pinpricks, and the intelligence, because until then the main source was the British in Hong Kong," he says, dredging up ancient intelligence rivalries. "Hong Kong, we used to call it our window on China."
British and American intelligence have rarely gotten along. During World War II, the British secret services eagerly tutored fledgling American OSS agents in the finer points of spywork. But relations chilled early in the postwar era, when American diplomacy took a turn against British imperial claims, and American agents started spying in former British colonies. The British protested American operations in their "sphere of influence," which to Britain meant half the world. A series of spy scandals in the fifties involving Burgess, McLean, and Philby -- British diplomats and intelligence officers doubling for the KGB -- further strained relations.
To analysts at CIA headquarters, Communist China was at first enigmatic, puzzling, labyrinthine. Tibet changed the intelligence outlook. Guerrillas frequently captured Chinese documents that shed light on Chinese policy and helped resolve internal disputes wracking the intelligence community. "The take was very good," says the former case officer.
The Tibetan operation meant that the CIA could depend less on British intelligence to develop an understanding of China. For this reason, President Eisenhower reauthorized the covert program in February 1960. But in May of that same year, a U-2 reconnaissance plane was shot down over Soviet airspace. The event occurred on the eve of a major summit, and proved a huge diplomatic embarrassment for the United States.
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« Reply #96 on: May 02, 2008, 05:02:53 PM » |
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You don't have to post the whole thing. A linky poo is fine. You take up our bandwidth.
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« Reply #97 on: May 02, 2008, 05:04:50 PM » |
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Of course the CIA loves to stir up trouble in China if it can. But you need to actually back up a claim like 'Some datas shows the Tibet event occured on March 14 has to do with the CIA.' and by back it up I mean show actual proof. Not your usual 'we all know' bullshit. Back up what you say, or STFU.
Read those books written by supporting the truth and the fair. first: 《The CIA's Secret War in Tibet》 Kenneth Conboy and James Morrison April 2002 320 pages, 24 photographs, 9 maps, 6-1/8 x 9-1/4 Modern War Studies Cloth ISBN 978-0-7006-1159-1, $34.95 second: 《Into Tibet: The CIA's First Atomic Spy and His Secret Expedition to Lhasa 》(Paperback) by Thomas Laird (Author) "The first gunshot was as loud inside the yak-wool tent as it was outside on the Tibetan Plateau..." (more) Third:《Buddha's Warriors: The Story of the CIA-Backed Tibetan Freedom Fighters, the Chinese Communist Invasion, and the Ultimate Fall of Tibet》(Hardcover) by Mikel Dunham (Author), Dalai Lama (Author) "The year was 1947, though not in the small mountainous kingdom of Derge..." (more) etc
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« Reply #98 on: May 02, 2008, 05:07:18 PM » |
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So let me understand, you post an article written in 1997 and another that covers the 1950's as your proof of CIA involvement in the Chinese government murdering Tibetans in 2008? Is that really what you are doing?
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« Reply #99 on: May 02, 2008, 05:08:26 PM » |
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You don't have to post the whole thing. A linky poo is fine. You take up our bandwidth.
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« Reply #100 on: May 02, 2008, 05:33:25 PM » |
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And now some books that not only are not on topic, but were published long before? You fail. 
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« Reply #101 on: May 02, 2008, 05:38:00 PM » |
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Biker, you just made my night. 
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« Reply #102 on: May 02, 2008, 05:39:27 PM » |
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So let me understand, you post an article written in 1997 and another that covers the 1950's as your proof of CIA involvement in the Chinese government murdering Tibetans in 2008? Is that really what you are doing?
And now some books that not only are not on topic, but were published long before? You fail. Past and Today contact each other.If we don't know the history then we couldn't recognize the praxis happened nowadays. CIA ploted the Tibet event in public before which is the truth that people know all over the world. Nowadays CIA still wade in the Tibet but it hides out itself and pull wires. There are no people considering the genuine happiness for Tibetans except for China and chinese people.The foreign gonernment just make Dalai Lama as a tool for keeping at bay China and stoping the development of China.They are scared of a powerful China though China brings peace and happiness for the world after she becomes powerful.They never forget the incontestable and irremissible crimes which they made at Qing Dynasty and period of Republic of China before PRC builded and brought gone disasters to chinese.
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« Reply #103 on: May 02, 2008, 05:46:05 PM » |
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I'm sure those Tibetans that the Chinese killed are much happier now. Plus all the ones arrested. And not mention the ones beaten. And China will bring peace to all the world? Your storm troopers gonna come and beat us and arrest us? God you really are stupid if you believe even a small percentage of the shit you spew. You fail in your logic. 
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