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I have scanned all sections in the political discussions - I seem to have missed the thread that condemns the Chinese suppression of the Tibetans culture, that denies their basic human rights and kills non-violent protesters.
If I've overlooked, please point me in the right direction. If not, where is the righteous indignation of the right? Hiding behind Olympic profits?
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« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2008, 01:18:29 PM » |
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Well, someone had to start a thread to begin with, don't you think. So why not you? IAP supports FREE TIBET! |
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« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2008, 01:44:04 PM » |
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Well, someone had to start a thread to begin with, don't you think. So why not you? IAP supports FREE TIBET! Sure Fred. Like it only started happening an hour ago..... Problem is that China wants the land, has invaded, is slowly strangling the native population, is 'importing' millions to takeover, and shoots demonstrators.... where have we heard that before? No doubt, when the demonstrators start arming themselves, we'll hear all about 'for the defence of China', and 'they are themselves to blame'. |
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« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2008, 02:04:02 PM » |
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Berlin 1936 all over again?
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« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2008, 02:17:46 PM » |
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Berlin 1936 all over again?
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Yup. Some people learn their lessons well, don't they. Fail to see your analogy applying to Tibet, but it holds well elsewhere.... |
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« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2008, 02:33:31 PM » |
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Berlin 1936 all over again?
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Yup. Some people learn their lessons well, don't they. Fail to see your analogy applying to Tibet, but it holds well elsewhere.... Yes, I was referring to the Olympics. In a sense, one could possibly compare Tibetans to Jews in Germany-a repressed and mistreated group. OswaldTheOsprey |
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« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2008, 02:46:28 PM » |
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Berlin 1936 all over again?
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Yup. Some people learn their lessons well, don't they. Fail to see your analogy applying to Tibet, but it holds well elsewhere.... Yes, I was referring to the Olympics. In a sense, one could possibly compare Tibetans to Jews in Germany-a repressed and mistreated group. OswaldTheOsprey Ahhhh yes. Sorry I didn't get the connection... but the "wants the land, has invaded, is slowly strangling the native population, is 'importing' millions to takeover, and shoots demonstrators" bit seems a bit out of place, don't you think? Try and think of a more up to date analogy, hein? Start in 1948 (mm of course. One has violent resistance, the other non-violent. Both of course are farting in the face of thunder) |
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« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2008, 02:51:41 PM » |
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Yup. Some people learn their lessons well, don't they. Fail to see your analogy applying to Tibet, but it holds well elsewhere.... Yes, I was referring to the Olympics. In a sense, one could possibly compare Tibetans to Jews in Germany-a repressed and mistreated group. OswaldTheOsprey Ahhhh yes. Sorry I didn't get the connection... but the "wants the land, has invaded, is slowly strangling the native population, is 'importing' millions to takeover, and shoots demonstrators" bit seems a bit out of place, don't you think? Try and think of a more up to date analogy, hein? Start in 1948 (mm of course. One has violent resistance, the other non-violent. Both of course are farting in the face of thunder) Yes I see your point. Neither Tibetans or Palestinians have high powered Washington lobbyists. Nor is the world eager for their trade. OswaldTheOsprey |
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« Reply #8 on: March 17, 2008, 03:50:37 PM » |
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Yes I see your point. Neither Tibetans or Palestinians have high powered Washington lobbyists. Nor is the world eager for their trade.
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Bingo! However, the palestinian analogy isnt what I REALLY wanted to express here. The mark of a democracy is how it treats its minorities: there aren't many pure democracies, but its fairly certain that China aint even an impure one! |
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« Reply #9 on: March 17, 2008, 04:03:13 PM » |
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Yes I see your point. Neither Tibetans or Palestinians have high powered Washington lobbyists. Nor is the world eager for their trade.
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Bingo! However, the palestinian analogy isnt what I REALLY wanted to express here. The mark of a democracy is how it treats its minorities: there aren't many pure democracies, but its fairly certain that China aint even an impure one! It certain is not. The People's Republic of China-ha ha! OswaldTheOsprey |
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« Reply #10 on: March 17, 2008, 09:17:38 PM » |
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The fact of the matter is China thinks they own everything, everyone in Asia is Chinese, whether they deny it or not. Doesn't matter where you go there is always going to be a considerable percentage of the population that is ethnically Chinese. Take for example Singapore i believe 75% of the people are ethnically Chinese and Mandarin is shoved down their throats in school? One way you can look at is that they're like a bad ass religious group that believes in bombastic self-righteousness. They're probably going to just take over, and worst case scenario is that we're all going to be a variation on the shades of yellow and red. Which is fine we'll be better off with our new Confucian values!
As for Tibet, the roots and history goes back for centuries. I guess you can blame the Mongols. Anyway, I'm all for Tibet being a separate state, nothing is worth bloodshed to unarmed peoples. Hell if the Vatican can exist in Rome as a separate state. Tibet better as well be free!
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« Reply #11 on: March 21, 2008, 07:29:22 AM » |
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Far be it from the US to actively protest against China...
"Please sir, don't take your $800 Billion in US bonds..."
Tibet, Myanmar, Iran... how many times does the US have to watch true Democracy spreading before it starts actually DOING anything about it? I'm not talking about military support... but vociferous condemnation of China wouldn't be a bad start. Perhaps giving Tibet greater leverage in discussions?
C'mon America... we're waiting...
I'm reminded of a quote, though:
"The strong will do what they please. The weak will suffer what they must."
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« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2008, 07:43:54 AM » |
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Far be it from the US to actively protest against China...
"Please sir, don't take your $800 Billion in US bonds..."
Tibet, Myanmar, Iran... how many times does the US have to watch true Democracy spreading before it starts actually DOING anything about it? I'm not talking about military support... but vociferous condemnation of China wouldn't be a bad start. Perhaps giving Tibet greater leverage in discussions?
C'mon America... we're waiting...
I'm reminded of a quote, though:
"The strong will do what they please. The weak will suffer what they must."
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« Reply #13 on: March 21, 2008, 07:59:30 AM » |
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Well, I would have preferred something a little more bipartisan... but it's a start: Pelosi Meets with Dalai Llama, Offers SupportABC New's Nick Schifrin reports from Dharamsala: US Speaker of the House of Representatives Nancy Pelosi made one of the highest-ranking U.S. official visits ever to Dharamsala, India, the exile home of the Tibetan spiritual leader, the Dalai Llama, today. While standing next to the Dalai Llama, she denounced "China's oppression of people in Tibet." The rest... Now if I can get, say, Bush, Cheney ( who's too busy wooing the Saudis at the moment  ) and Rice to say the same thing, then I'm square. Next is giving Tibet something to negotiate with. Personally, I don't know the region or situation well, but there has to be something that the US can do to snub China on behalf of Tibet. And the Dali Lama seems ready to negotiate: Dalai Lama: 'I am prepared to face China. I will go to Beijing'
As crisis over Tibet deepens, Dalai Lama makes extraordinary offer to negotiate directly with President Hu Jintao
Almost half a century after he fled to India, the Dalai Lama has raised the extraordinary prospect of travelling to Beijing and holding face-to-talks with the Chinese regime in an effort to resolve Tibet's most serious crisis for two decades.
Having watched helplessly from exile as his Tibetan homeland has suffered under Chinese rule, the man regarded as a living god by millions of his followers said yesterday that he was ready to negotiate personally with the Chinese leadership. The Dalai Lama, 73, acknowledged the difficulty associated with a face-to-face summit, but said he was even ready to meet President Hu Jintao, notorious in Tibet for his hardline approach when he served as Tibet's local Communist leader. "I am always ready to meet the Chinese leaders, and particularly Hu Jintao. I am very happy to meet," he told a small group of journalists at his office in Dharamsala. "But as I mentioned earlier, to go to Beijing and meet leaders... that would be big news. Many Tibetans would think... may develop some unrealistic expectations. I have to think very carefully." China has an oppurtunity to offer an olive branch... or a gun muzzle. Let's hope they choose the former... |
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