And what makes you think they aren't?

They are, you know, and they are living without the oppressive oligarchy that kept the Tibetan people in thrall for decades. They own their own property - something they were never allowed to do before; they own their own businesses - something they were never allowed to do before; they can travel anyplace they want to - something they were never allowed to do before; they can obtain an education for themselves and their children - something they would have been killed for under the evil horror of the cult of Tenzin Gyatso; the government of the Tibet Autonomous Region is composed of Tibetans - and government never existed in Tibet before China freed the people of Tibet from the evil horror under which they were slaves.

Their traditional medicine is being promoted throughout China and now around the world; knowledge that had previously only existed as oral traditions is being finally written down - in the ethnic Tibetan language and in Chinese with translations into English being worked on.

They can and do buy cars. They can and do buy televisions and can and do purchase cable and they can and do watch the vacuous prattle from talking heads on the likes of CNN, BBC, and even better channels such as MSNBC and Bloomberg.

They can and do purchase landline telephones and cell phones - with or without International Direct Dialing.

They can and do buy computers and in all schools - something else that never existed in Tibet before the region was freed from the oppression of the evil cult of Tenzin Gyatso - they have courses on learning and using computers.

They have restaurants, night clubs - although to be blunt, ethnic Tibetans don't like the nightclubs very much because of tall the backpacking foreigners smuggling in Hashish from Nepal and then staying in Lhasa and getting stoned and drunk in the nightclubs and then puking their guts out in the street - culturally, such practices are anathema to ethnic Tibetans.

The only people that are complaining are those who really don't want the ethnic Tibetans to be happy...the wealthy landowners/slaveowners that kept 95% of the population in slavery for their own benefit; the monks who came from those wealthy families that lost their life and death control over the population, and those that want to try and use misinformation about Tibet as a stick to try and beat China down if possible.

The people IN Tibet, the people that matter IN Tibet, are doing fine thank you very much, and they are getting just as pissed off as everybody else about the lies about Tibet and themselves being spread by the likes of the pond scum Tenzin Gyatso.

Truth is, the people of Tibet DO NOT WANT him back, nor do they want those that left with him and stole everything they could from the regions treasury before they ran away. At least, they don't want him back as anything but the titular head of the one temple that still recognizes him as being anybody special.

The rest of the ethnic Tibetans in the region want no part of him, or them.

They are living as they want. The only complaints they have had are the foreign tourists and the lies being spread that hurt them terribly.

I did provide another post that even included a link to a Vancouver site - not well-known as a hotbed of Chinese activity...too many hong kong people - about Tenzin Gyatso being sued by the Indian govt. for repression of religion...but it hasn't shown up because the child I quoted in reply doesn't like the truth.

Tibet is doing fine, better than a lot of other parts of China in many ways, and the people are doing quite well thank you very much, and THAT'S the reality, whether those who know nothing about it want to believe it or not.

The ethnic Tibetan people will never accept the return of the terrorist and traitor Tenzin Gyatso and the wealthy scum that kept them in slavery for long...NEVER...regardless of what foreigners want.

Well long time no "read!"

Do me a favor will you? You've met me. Tell me, am I Chinese?

'Foreigner anti-Chinese' sounds so communist even more than you claiming you can publicly disagree with government when calling an anti-Chinese foreigner to those who opposite publicly.

I love your tactics, sorry for getting education and not raising rise in childhood to be smart enough to spot such shameful lie, i think your government should execute you for being bad Chinese for such improper arguments.

Sooo, what you're saying then is that you can't tell one IP from another...is that correct?

Since I don't live in Beijing...can't stand the place...but rather live in Shenzhen, about 2,000 + KM away from Beijing, and I know that the chairman handle also doesn't live anyplace near me (but I wont divulge where he lives, but suffice to say that it is nowheres near where I am now) and yet you STILL try and claim that we both live in Beijing, then you really can't tell from the IP where anyone is beyond a hemisphere.

Tell you what, after all you are a "Forum Admin" - how about I answer some questions that no average Chinese person would know? Then you can try and impugn my heritage and say I'm not Canadian born and bred just because I'm smart enough and worldly enough to know a he*l of a lot more than you?

Here, I'll give you a brief: What did Western Canadians used to call people from Tranna? Creeps and...(no, the second word wasn't nerds, that came after computer-speak became common, we called them Creeps and...before there were computers).

Ralph Klein was the mayor of what city? He became the premier of what province that he then turned around and made - for some time - the wealthiest province in Canada?

What bar did Ralphie like to frequent in his hometown?

Hey, let's take if further...what district in that city did Ralphie live in while he was mayor of that city?

Here, I'll take pity on you:

Answers:

Creeps and Bums, or conversely - Bums and Creeps.

Calgary

Alberta

The St. Louis, just down the street from city hall.

Lakeview

Go ahead, tell me I'm wrong. You guys just can't stand it that there are people that do know the truth that are willing to take the time to try to counter the misinformation being spread on this forum.

And chairman isn't random. He has perhaps the greatest number of posts of any forum member on any forum on a forum that he used to frequent regularly.

Why he showed up here I have no idea unless he, too, heard that there was a forum with some intelligent people and some losers - like every forum - who know less about China than they do about the hair on their back, writing as if they actually knew something.

The only reason I came here was to try and counter the usual losers that know less than nothing about China, but try and act like the tiny bit they have heard from a guy who knows a guy whose ex-boyfriend overheard it in a bar from a guy whose sister used to bang a guy that read a newspaper article once and who said that China is the new boogey-man.

As for why chairman deigned to come out of semi-retirement, you'll have to ask him. After all, we don't exactly live in the same city and hardly ever communicate, even though we did co-author three of the largest threads in the world - and being investigated by the people from Guiness...the current one - and the original - with today: 377,172 views and 16,238 posts IN ONE FRIGGIN' THREAD.

But hey, I don't care since it's a great compliment. But tell me, is your Chinese as good as my English?

They are two different people.  I have reading their posts before. One live in shenzhen the other in beijing i think

Well then, you need to read the so-called comments from another "Forum Admin" that has already said so, and who has his panties in such a twist that should I reply to his inane insulting comments with facts and figures, he has "arranged" that my posts are marked as spam and thus not viewable by the public.

I have one I made to "him" today - a copy available if you wish me to post it - just to show that he also knows nothing about Canada as well as not knowing anything about China or Tibet.

This is - I assume - supposed to be a forum where debate is being promoted, but I'll tell you straight out, even with the moderators at the China Daily deleting the occasional "sensitive" topics sometimes, it is a he*l of a lot freer than from what I have seen here so far, and that is embarrassing to me as a Canadian.

On what you so casually call "your home forum" there is a much freer structure for debate and argument but that is perhaps because the moderators are both in China and in the States...with the ones in the States a little anal to be blunt.

All I am interested in is getting some truth out to counter the misinformation being spread by the so-called "media" - nothing else.

Oh well if you say so in your first fucking post, well then it MUST BE TRUE!

Oh really?

Here is what DNSstuff.com says about my current IP address (it's static and changes each time I reboot_:

Your IP: 59.40.111.79   ASN: 4134 [CHINANET-BACKBONE (No.31,Jin-rong Street)]   Near: Guangzhou, Guangdong China

That's the basic, the full spiel is:

Using 0 day old cached answer (or, you can get fresh results).
Hiding E-mail address (you can get results with the E-mail address).

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