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« Reply #360 on: May 20, 2008, 08:11:46 AM » |
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I know the Chinese has not occupied Tibet. Sure, their military rolling in there in 1950/51 would be one. If the Chinese have not occupied Tibet...if they aren't "raping" their culture then why did you compare it to the North American natives and the colonists and tell us to shut up? You made the comparrison...because there is no comparrison? Obviously you felt there was a simularity. Ahk I made the comparison because you are yourself guilty of what you accuse another Country for. It doen't mean that I say you are right in that dumbass. The military rolled in there to stop a civil war that the US had instigated. It was kind of the same thing as when the US wassupporting Saddam Hussein against the Iranians and the Taliban in Afghanistan against the Russian. Rofl ... I have already presented evidence that Tibet was under chinese rule when the civil war started. The UN map clearly shows Tibet as Chinese in 1945, unless something happened between 1945 and 1950 the territory must have already been chinese, and thereby it cannot have been an invasion. Therefore Tibet cannot be occupied today. Since you are Canadian it would be interesting to hear your views on independence for Quebec ... |
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« Reply #361 on: May 20, 2008, 08:16:19 AM » |
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Whatever dumbass. You're the dumbass falling all over himself calling it a comparison one moment then no comparrison the next, dumbass. Since you are Canadian it would be interesting to hear your views on independence for Quebec ... I'd be more interested in hearing your opinions of ignorance on the issue since those are the only opinions you have. It was kind of the same thing as when the US wassupporting Saddam Hussein against the Iranians and the Taliban in Afghanistan against the Russian. Rofl ...
Actually they supported the Mujihadeen, dumbass, there was no Taliban at the time, get your facts straight. You'd know that if you weren't such a dumbass. But that's the sort of ignorance you'd expect from someone who doesn't actually know anything himself and can only regurgitate talking points he doesnt understand ...like a dumbass. Ahk |
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« Reply #362 on: May 20, 2008, 08:19:36 AM » |
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Whatever dumbass. You're the dumbass falling all over himself calling it a comparison one moment then no comparrison the next, dumbass. Since you are Canadian it would be interesting to hear your views on independence for Quebec ... I'd be more interested in hearing your opinions of ignorance on the issue since those are the only opinions you have. Ahk So you are indeed unable to provide evidence that Tibet was indeed invaded ? Maybe it is time for you to apologize to the chinese community then .... |
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« Reply #363 on: May 20, 2008, 08:23:04 AM » |
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Oh another cop-out. How predictable. As I said you made the comparrison meaning you must believe ther eis a comparriosn -- or you were just spinning? Maybe youre ready to apologize to the Tibetain community now that you've finished mocking their horrors? I'll repeat this talking-point crash-and-burn as well. It was kind of the same thing as when the US wassupporting Saddam Hussein against the Iranians and the Taliban in Afghanistan against the Russian. Rofl ... Actually they supported the Mujihadeen, dumbass, there was no Taliban at the time, get your facts straight. You'd know that if you weren't such a dumbass. But that's the sort of ignorance you'd expect from someone who doesn't actually know anything himself and can only regurgitate talking points he doesnt understand ...like a dumbass. |
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« Reply #364 on: May 20, 2008, 08:28:03 AM » |
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The U.S. government was well aware of the Taliban's reactionary program, yet it chose to back their rise to power in the mid-1990s. The creation of the Taliban was "actively encouraged by the ISI and the CIA," according to Selig Harrison, an expert on U.S. relations with Asia. "The United States encouraged Saudi Arabia and Pakistan to support the Taliban, certainly right up to their advance on Kabul," adds respected journalist Ahmed Rashid. When the Taliban took power, State Department spokesperson Glyn Davies said that he saw "nothing objectionable" in the Taliban's plans to impose strict Islamic law, and Senator Hank Brown, chair of the Senate Foreign Relations Subcommittee on the Near East and South Asia, welcomed the new regime: "The good part of what has happened is that one of the factions at last seems capable of developing a new government in Afghanistan." "The Taliban will probably develop like the Saudis. There will be Aramco [the consortium of oil companies that controlled Saudi oil], pipelines, an emir, no parliament and lots of Sharia law. We can live with that," said another U.S. diplomat in 1997.
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Afghanistan/Afghanistan_CIA_Taliban.html
Actually they supported the Mujihadeen, dumbass, there was no Taliban at the time, get your facts straight. You'd know that if you weren't such a dumbass. But that's the sort of ignorance you'd expect from someone who doesn't actually know anything himself and can only regurgitate talking points he doesnt understand ...like a dumbass.
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« Reply #365 on: May 20, 2008, 08:49:52 AM » |
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You said "support", not claiming their offical postion was that they found "nothing objectionable". The US supported (y'know beyond "moral support") the Mujihadeen with money, not the Taliban which wasn't, "actively encouraged by the CIA and the ISI", but rather completely an invention of the ISI, originally put in place in order to keep the road to Kabul open. Everyone who knows anything knows that. I suppose you're going to claim that by "support" what you really meant was "tacit approval". Yes best cover up the fact you didnt know there was a difference between the Taliban and the Mujihadeen -- because you rely on talking points you don't understand yourself. Again, you siad: and the Taliban in Afghanistan against the Russian. Rofl ...
Welp the Taliban never fought a Russian in their entire existance so WTF were you talking about? Now you run off to do a quick Google on "USA + Taliban + Support" as though that were going to quick-fix your ignorance. Ahk |
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« Reply #366 on: May 20, 2008, 09:01:31 AM » |
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OK, I quote a smaller section and maybe you will get it: "The United States encouraged Saudi Arabia and Pakistan to support the Taliban" They supported the Taliban through therir influence on Pakistan etc. Hardlly a case of "Tacit" approval. A good example of tacit approval is what you are showing over the situation with the marginalization of the North american indigenous people, if you want an example. You said "support", not claiming their offical postion was that they found "nothing objectionable".
The US supported (y'know beyond "moral support") the Mujihadeen with money, not the Taliban which wasn't, "actively encouraged by the CIA and the ISI", but rather completely an invention of the ISI, originally put in place in order to keep the road to Kabul open.
Everyone who knows anything knows that. I suppose you're going to claim that by "support" what you really meant was "tacit approval". Yes best cover up the fact you didnt know there was a difference between the Taliban and the Mujihadeen -- because you rely on talking points you don't understand yourself.
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« Reply #367 on: May 20, 2008, 09:11:58 AM » |
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Yeah i'll quote you again: and the Taliban in Afghanistan against the Russian. ...and the Taliban never fought the Russians. If you knew anything beyond your talking points.... They supported the Taliban through therir influence on Pakistan etc. So now you cover up by exchanging "Supported the Taliban against the Russians [like Supporting Saddam against Iran]" to something completely different and beside the point -- something you desperately need to mean what it doesnt mean -- in order to hide your ignorance. So the US didn't support the Taliban then but rather verbally encouraged ISI's use of the taliban to try and quell power-vaccumme fighting between the remnants of the Mujihadeen. Is that what you meant by "Supported the Taliban against the Russians"? Is that what you meant to say? I suppose since you'd have to know what you're talking about before you know what you mean I can assume you don't know what, exactly, you meant by "Supported the Taliban against the Russians"? You didnt say "encouraged the ISI to direct the Taliban to fight the various Saudi Mujihadeen factions who were fighting each other", you said "Supported the Taliban against the Russians". Maybe its' time for you to go back to school again and learn something instead of regurgitating talking points, then quick-searching Google to try and cover up? You do more cover-ups than the CIA, Europe - you must be proud. Ahk |
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« Reply #368 on: May 20, 2008, 09:24:50 AM » |
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A good example of tacit approval is what you are showing over the situation with the marginalization of the North american indigenous people, if you want an example.
Yeah but I never did that, just like the US never supported the Taliban against the Russians. I responded to people who said Chinese occupation of Tibet was the same as North American "occupation" by European colonialists. Showing why that isnt a valid comparrison isn't marginalizing North american natives...don't let that stop you from lying though. lol... "is what you are showing over the situation with the marginalization of the north american indigenous people..."....lol. Really desperate. "Is what you are showing over the situation with the..."...lol! I can hear you studdering so bad here -- you don't even know what your'e trying to say. That's barely a sentance. Ahk |
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« Reply #369 on: May 20, 2008, 09:27:33 AM » |
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So where is your evidence on the Chinese invastion of Tibet ? I am still waiting ... A good example of tacit approval is what you are showing over the situation with the marginalization of the North american indigenous people, if you want an example.
Yeah but I never did that, just like the US never supported the Taliban against the Russians. I responded to people who said Chinese occupation of Tibet was the same as North American "occupation" by European colonialists. Showing why that isnt a valid comparrison isn't marginalizing North american natives...don't let that stop you from lying though. Ahk |
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« Reply #370 on: May 20, 2008, 09:44:08 AM » |
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lol! Oh another smokescreen to get away from your failed talking points eh? They rolled in in 50/51. Look it up. There was another "expedition" in 1910 too. Here lets look at another talking point you bought up to compare with Tibet even though you have no idea what you're talking about: Since you are Canadian it would be interesting to hear your views on independence for Quebec ... Well my uneducated little friend Quebec has had 2-3 referendums in the past 20 years for them to decide whether or not they wanted to remain part of Canada and each time it's come back "no". So what's your point? Of course you don't have a point. You have a list of talking points you don't understand yourself. So tell me: how many referendums have the Tibetans had to see if they wanted out of China? You made the comparison to Quebec so you must have an answer to the question. unless of course that was just another smoke-screen.Still waiting for you to explain how the US supported the Taliban against the Russians....rotfl Also still waiting for you to show me how Im marginalizing North American natives because I pointed out how there's no valid comparison to the situation in Tibet -- something you still haven't decided whether or not it's valid. Ahk |
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« Reply #371 on: May 20, 2008, 10:24:35 AM » |
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lol! Oh another smokescreen to get away from your failed talking points eh? They rolled in in 50/51. Look it up. There was another "expedition" in 1910 too. Here lets look at another talking point you bought up to compare with Tibet even though you have no idea what you're talking about: Since you are Canadian it would be interesting to hear your views on independence for Quebec ... Well my uneducated little friend Quebec has had 2-3 referendums in the past 20 years for them to decide whether or not they wanted to remain part of Canada and each time it's come back "no". So what's your point? Of course you don't have a point. You have a list of talking points you don't understand yourself. So tell me: how many referendums have the Tibetans had to see if they wanted out of China? You made the comparison to Quebec so you must have an answer to the question. unless of course that was just another smoke-screen.Still waiting for you to explain how the US supported the Taliban against the Russians....rotfl Also still waiting for you to show me how Im marginalizing North American natives because I pointed out how there's no valid comparison to the situation in Tibet -- something you still haven't decided whether or not it's valid. Ahk Still waiting for you to explain how if Tibet was Chinese already 1945, it can have been invaded by China in 1950 ... Rofl ... |
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« Reply #372 on: May 20, 2008, 11:17:42 AM » |
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"Still waiting"? But gee only last post your "still waiting" was... So where is your evidence on the Chinese invastion of Tibet ? I am still waiting ...
And since that was answered now you need to change the question again and like the liar and troll-game-player you are you need to insert the word "still" even though your last question was answered. Sure i have a great explaination for that, they invaded earlier as well, 1910. Is it really that hard to grasp? Of course your only concern at this point is to try and replace a post with "the last word" so you don't have to explain the outragous anaolgies you've made. - Why did you need to change what you meant when you said the US was supporting the Taliban against the Russians? Why bring it up at all?- Why do ask about the Quebec seperation issue if you don't want to follow it? You brought up the analogy, one can only imagine in reference to Tibet, so how come you don't want to persue it? I ask again: How many referendums deciding whether or not Tibet wants to be part of China have there been? How many referendums has Quebec had? So the relevance of that analogy was what exactly?- Why show us maps from times just after China invades (as I've said three times now and you still need to ignore: once in 1910 and again in 50/51)?Ahk |
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« Reply #373 on: May 20, 2008, 11:56:28 AM » |
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http://www.drben.net/ChinaReport/Sources/China_Maps/China_Empire_History/Qing_Dynasty/Map_China-Ching_Dynasty_Empire_1910AD-1A.htmlROFL, a map showing that Tibet was a dependent state of China already 1910 when you claim the Chinese invaded .... 1. The US support to Saddam Hussein and the Taliban is of interested, because it shows that US and the CIA has actively supported also other terrorist organizations in the area and not only the Tibetan separatists. 2. I asked about Quebec just from curiosity, that the same reason I ask about your views on the native americans. 3. I show the maps I find ...It's not difficult - just fucking google it :-). Now I have proven that Tibet was not independent in 1910 either, can you please provide a list of countries that have ever recognized tibetan independence. Let's face it - you're just a brainwashed emo-kid who has read too much pamphlets from the Tibetan separatist movement.
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« Reply #374 on: May 20, 2008, 01:21:12 PM » |
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Now I have proven that Tibet was not independent in 1910 either, can you please provide a list of countries that have ever recognized tibetan independence. Except this was never my position. A list of countries that recognize Tibet independance is just another red herring. This does not support China's claim to them. I suppose you would reverse arguments if this were Palistine. Let's face it - you're just a brainwashed emo-kid who has read too much pamphlets from the Tibetan separatist movement. No you're the emo kid who needs to constantly bring up invalid analogies only to claim later he was just doing it out of "curiosity". But that's not what you did, was it? No what you did was say: The Chinese empire has ruled the region Tibet for longer than the U.S.A. has existed, so you americans should shut up or return to the Europe you came from, handing the land back to the native indians. blah blah blah..and... And when it comes to the indians - I guess the native indians should be happy that you guys stole their land ?
It wasn't out of curiosity it's your "reason' Americans should just "shut up". Oh and you still haven't explained how I've been "marginalizing' the plight of the North American native simply by showing you why it's not a valid comparison. But then you just blurt out anything without thinking about it right? The US support to Saddam Hussein and the Taliban is of interested, because it shows that US and the CIA has actively supported also other terrorist organizations in the area and not only the Tibetan separatists.
Yes except that the CIA never supported the taliban in the same manner they supported Saddam. What you tried to imply is that the CIA supported the Taliban with arms and they didn't. Of course you deny that now because you realize how dumb you're looking. Just another talking point you wish to abandon now because you quickly realized you didn't know what you were talking about when you said: "supported the Taliban against the Russians." ...which they didn't. the Taliban never fought the Russians and now you're trying to cover that up by claiming you meant "tacit approval". Further the Taliban weren't fighting for "seperation". Please explain what you mean by "supported terrorist organizations like the taliban"? First off the Taliban weren't terrorists until they started commiting terrorism. At first they were simply students. Finally you did not ask my opinion on Quebec because you were curious. You asked because it was another talking point you don't know anything about but thought you were going to "own" with. Of course now that you realize Quebec has had numerous referendums to decide whether or not they wanted seperation and those referendums have always come back no...you realize now the trap you got yourself into because by making the analogy you just might have to answer it. So I ask again: How many referendums have the Tibetans had? So none of it wasn out of pure curiosity like you need to pretend now, you figured it had relevance and it didn't. Now you hide. That's 3 for 3. Taliban, Quebec and the Native Indians. Guess you're the one "owned" now. lol! Ahk |
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