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« Reply #420 on: June 12, 2008, 12:08:44 PM » |
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You don't deny yourself Ahk. Again a post with purely personal attacks and no substance. Except maybe that you finally seem to admit that you argue for Tibetan independence ? Is that correct ? Well that independence argument is a non-argument. The question simply doesn't exist, except for Sharon Stone, Bjork and a bunch of other Lama-lovers - I suppose you are another of them ... Europe your childish insistence on boxing the argument into the smallest definition you can muster gets weaker every day. You're trying to do the same thing with Canadian bob that you tried with me. My "claims" were centered on the Chinese government and it's abuses and methodologies, which in turn create sympathy for Tibet independence. You come charging on here with the laughable approach of "legitimate claims" -- trying to make it sound like China has the only legitimacy there when really what you're doing is using the obscure "right of conquest" argument for legitimacy from centuries ago which couldn't possibly be more legitimate than wanting to take it back by conquest or protest.
As you bumble around trying to draw metaphors between American Natives and Tibet all you end up doing is accentuating the difference: Natives, at the end of the day, apparently just don't feel as strongly about it as Tibetans and this speaks to the difference in social approach and governing that was my only point all along.
Tibet's claims for independence have as much legitimacy as anyone wants to put on it for any number of reasons. Your weak and brittle claim that "once China took them over...and then did it again in the 50's" is cracking more every day.
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« Reply #421 on: June 12, 2008, 12:18:56 PM » |
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Did it ever occur to ask yourself why a "tyrannical" regime as you call it enjoys much stronger support from its population than for example the north american and european regimes ? No I suppose not ... Feel free to substantiate how Tibetan members of the government are "selling" out the Tibetans - you seem so upset so I assume you must have solid proof  But then again, something tells me that you can't ... What? I recognize the current nature of the formerly communist CCP. Their concern is about power and maintaining the means to maintain it, not ideology. I don't consider them communist, but I do recognize them as tyrannical. China's government has long referred to ethnic separatists from mild to violent in their means of resistance as terrorists, before and after 911. I pointed out that they had resisted in Tibet before the CIA, not as a means of calling it legitimate(only popular support can do that),but to point out that the resistance wasn't created by foreign meddling.
As for the Tibetan local leaders of the CCP, who cares about such tokenism? Do they have real support from their people or are they opportunist hacks willing to sell out their people for a little power? Given how little their policies seem to accord with Tibetan wishes, the later is more probable.
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« Reply #422 on: June 12, 2008, 01:17:49 PM » |
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Europe, you're so simple-minded that you think the phony displays of loyalty constantly being paraded in the PRC are for real.
I bet you believe that the citizens of the DPRK are similarly "more loyal" than citizens of Western democracies!
You seem to have the affliction of "Alzheimers with Chinese Characteristics";big empty spaces in your brain where inconvenient facts and whole periods of history are missing.
I hope someday you will overcome this terrible debilitating condition, and rejoin the healthy, rational people of this world. Until that time, please suffer in silence and do not constantly expose your tragic state in public; we all feel terribly embarassed by your parade of symptoms. I hope it doesn't progress to the "Rabid Nationalist Coprophilia" stage as it does with so many other sufferers in the PRC.
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« Reply #423 on: June 12, 2008, 01:25:29 PM » |
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Hehe, apparently you are even dumber than I thought mr bob... Apparently, it didn't occur to you to ask yourself why also the vast majority chinese OUTSIDE of china also support their government ? They are hardly forced to parade by their "oppressive" government. Dumbass ... Europe, you're so simple-minded that you think the phony displays of loyalty constantly being paraded in the PRC are for real.
I bet you believe that the citizens of the DPRK are similarly "more loyal" than citizens of Western democracies!
You seem to have the affliction of "Alzheimers with Chinese Characteristics";big empty spaces in your brain where inconvenient facts and whole periods of history are missing.
I hope someday you will overcome this terrible debilitating condition, and rejoin the healthy, rational people of this world. Until that time, please suffer in silence and do not constantly expose your tragic state in public; we all feel terribly embarassed by your parade of symptoms. I hope it doesn't progress to the "Rabid Nationalist Coprophilia" stage as it does with so many other sufferers in the PRC.
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« Reply #424 on: June 17, 2008, 05:55:31 PM » |
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Hehe, it bites into your feelings, mr europe. You feel stupid when someone is making jokes on your misery ain't this so ?
Besides, mr bob, made just a few polite remarks, nothing personal, but apparently you cannot digest that hard shit, and as usual you started to attack his opinion with personal insults. Way to go! the "people's democratic party" rocks!!!
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« Reply #425 on: June 17, 2008, 06:05:17 PM » |
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....and I haven't seen yet, any chinese national, outside of China, to support the communist regime which they happily left behind. And I had and still have many chinese ex-friends or co-workers. None....zero.... 00000000  |
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« Reply #426 on: June 17, 2008, 06:33:05 PM » |
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Again a post with purely personal attacks and no substance. When you are handed substance you run away and pretend it's too much to read and the only 'substance' you bring forward you run away from as well, like Quebec and the La. You're the mouthy brat who hasn't made ONE SINGLE post without your "personal attacks", so too bad Troll. Except maybe that you finally seem to admit that you argue for Tibetan independence ? Is that correct ? I already posted an answer to this and you claimed it was too much to read. Figures. You were also probably scared of it. This is your game: make childish demands like it's your show or something, don’t stick with anything yourself and continually ignore what the other is saying and make up what they say instead. After all it is soo much easier to argue what you wish someone said rather than what they are saying, right? When I answered your questions you decide it's too much to read so instead continue your bastardized and contrived representation of what I said like the mouthy child you are. Like back here: Rofl, you say 1720-1905 is a particular "moment" .... That's a longer period in time than it has taken for the americans (and canadians) to almost eradicate the natives in north america ...
No that's not what I said idiot. I spoke of 1720. Period. If you could handle the debate you wouldn't have to make up what people are saying as you go along. If you could debate you could address what people say instead of what you wish they said. And I love the way you just have to insert bullshit in every line. Eradicate? lol. You really are fucking clueless aren't you? The moment Europeans stepped on North American soil the Native population began to sky-rocket. Why not just leave the thinking to those who can, ok? You burst onto this thread like a tard shouting about how everyone's putting down China and spending too much time complaining about Tibet when in fact this very thread was created specifically because the author thought that strangely enough there wasn't any talk about Tibet. Did you ever get that? Of course not you're way too stupid. If you had a shred of honesty in you you'd admit that there was nothing going on here about Tibet until the thread was resuscitated by a group of Beijing 'grass-rooters' all coming here to tell us how China was the land 'somewhere over the rainbow'. Did it ever occur to ask yourself why a "tyrannical" regime as you call it enjoys much stronger support from its population than for example the north american and european regimes ? No I suppose not ... Of course not you moron. "Public support” was through the roof also during the Soviet regime too, then what? Oh yeah it fell like a card house. Public support is supposedly through the roof Iran as well. So what? That you think a feeble line like that is worth anything is a laugh. Ahk |
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« Reply #427 on: June 18, 2008, 01:59:54 PM » |
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I kind of expected that, you answer a post complaining about the lack of substance of your posts with another post with no substance - ROFL. Again you are not mature enough to state any position on the Tibetan independence issue. Posting the whole Wikipedia page is NOT stating a position unless you tell people what conclusion you draw from the text, dumbass ... From now on I will just assume you actually do support Tibetan independence, which once again accentuates your complete lack of understanding of world politics and east asian history, given that Tibet has never fulfilled internationally accepted criteria for independence for as as long as such criteria have existed. Actually, I found a lame attempt at providing some substance - this is actually one of the most entertaining pieces you have posted so far: The moment Europeans stepped on North American soil the Native population began to sky-rocket. Why not just leave the thinking to those who can, ok?
So, that that is why the native north american population has "sky-rocketed" to 1.3 million from around 8-10 million around 1700 before the North american genocide started according to most estimates. It becomes even more interesting when you think of that most of the native americans are holed up in reservations covering a whopping 2.3% of the US/Canadian territory . Apparently you are not one of those who can do the thinking - ROFL Since I retaliate personal attacks one by one, I feel obliged to point out the juvenile tardyness of your argumentation. Repeating unsubstantiated arguments time again do like you do not make them true. If you were not the completely brainwashed moron you are, you would have understood that the European who later stole the land from native have consciously or unconsiously carried out a genocide/rape/persecution of the Native americans similar to the one you have repeatedly claimed the the Chinese have carried out in Tibet. I am sure you will find this webpage interesting: http://www.nativeamericans.com/or you can take a pick from these ones: http://www.google.ch/search?q=native+americans+genocide&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:de:official&client=firefox-aAgain, even though you have consistently kept a low level of argumention in the past I am amazed with stupidity of your latest round - I thought even you would have known better than to deny the marginalization and genocide of the native american - this is truly comedy at a high level ... |
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« Reply #428 on: June 18, 2008, 04:32:16 PM » |
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Europe did make one good point in that last post. That claim about rapidly growing Native American population was completely bogus. I think I'm leaving this flame war for you both to fight it out. I'm tired of watching it go in circles.
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. . . sometimes it seems that one has to lean into the wind to stand straight.
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« Reply #429 on: June 20, 2008, 12:44:36 PM » |
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Bogus?
"The statistics bear out the reality---our population is increasing rapidly---and it is young. In fact, our numbers are growing at twice the rate of other Canadians...." -National Chief Phil Fontaine, Assembly of First Nations
see:www.energyontario.ca/docs/FINAL%20National%20Chief%20Phil%20Fontaine%20Remarks%20to%20the%20Ontario%20Ene...
for the full speech. Why don't you tell them that they're dying off? Just because it dosen't serve your argument, doesn't mean it's not true......
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« Reply #430 on: June 20, 2008, 02:26:43 PM » |
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I took exception to the idea that that was the case in the past, not now. If you'll trace it back to the original statement, you'll see that that is true.
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. . . sometimes it seems that one has to lean into the wind to stand straight.
James Welch Winter in the Blood
Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women; when it dies there, no constitution,no law, no court can even do much to save it.
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« Reply #431 on: June 21, 2008, 06:40:21 AM » |
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Why don't you go tell the Tibetans they are dying off ? And when you are at it, it would be interesting to hear you explain how the quotation you posted is relevant to the discussion on whether there was a genocide of American indians following the European colonization on the American continent, which happened to occur in the 15th to early 20th century ... Just a little side note - I see striking similarity between the warped logic and general prejudice in Canadianbobs posts and Stephen anti-Hero's posts. Are we maybe already seeing a reincarnation of Stephen anti-Hero ? Bogus?
"The statistics bear out the reality---our population is increasing rapidly---and it is young. In fact, our numbers are growing at twice the rate of other Canadians...." -National Chief Phil Fontaine, Assembly of First Nations
see:www.energyontario.ca/docs/FINAL%20National%20Chief%20Phil%20Fontaine%20Remarks%20to%20the%20Ontario%20Ene...
for the full speech. Why don't you tell them that they're dying off? Just because it dosen't serve your argument, doesn't mean it's not true......
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« Reply #432 on: June 22, 2008, 04:26:47 PM » |
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I tried to cut and paste a link to a website, it auto-replied that it was a spam.
Question: is there a new rule I'm not aware of? against links to other websites?
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« Reply #433 on: June 23, 2008, 03:13:14 PM » |
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I tried to cut and paste a link to a website, it auto-replied that it was a spam.
Question: is there a new rule I'm not aware of? against links to other websites?
I got it. number 2....geees, you guys give me a hard time with the small prints  |
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