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« Reply #15 on: March 18, 2008, 05:37:20 PM » |
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in 1 of the clinton vs obama debates i remember obama saying to clinton that she cant take credit for the great things that happend when her husband was in office and say she had nothing to do with the failures. (anyone recall this?)
kinda ironic that obama seems to be doing the same exact thing he told clinton she can do that.
for those who need the extra help:
obama claims he wasnt in the church when the racist or un-amerikkan statement were said but he was there during the normal sermons.
also obamas response was that his former pastor said some regretable things that he disagrees with.
just like he is sure most of us hear things in church that we disagree with.....
well are we just lumping all disagreement into 1 lump sum here or are we talking about rasict remarts and anti-american remarks that all of our pastors are talking about?
maybe im just blessed but i have never been in a church where i heard either of these being promoted or nothing else even close.
also kinda shook my head when he called on his white racist grandmother who makes him cringe. i guess his fathers side of the faimly has nothing racist about them including where is son ended up going to church.
i know if clinton when to a chruch like this that was all whites blaming cancer on the blacks and hating amerikka she wouldnt even have run..... neither would her husband.
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« Reply #16 on: March 18, 2008, 06:37:36 PM » |
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in 1 of the clinton vs obama debates i remember obama saying to clinton that she cant take credit for the great things that happend when her husband was in office and say she had nothing to do with the failures. (anyone recall this?)
kinda ironic that obama seems to be doing the same exact thing he told clinton she can do that.
for those who need the extra help:
obama claims he wasnt in the church when the racist or un-amerikkan statement were said but he was there during the normal sermons.
also obamas response was that his former pastor said some regretable things that he disagrees with.
just like he is sure most of us hear things in church that we disagree with.....
well are we just lumping all disagreement into 1 lump sum here or are we talking about rasict remarts and anti-american remarks that all of our pastors are talking about?
maybe im just blessed but i have never been in a church where i heard either of these being promoted or nothing else even close.
also kinda shook my head when he called on his white racist grandmother who makes him cringe. i guess his fathers side of the faimly has nothing racist about them including where is son ended up going to church.
i know if clinton when to a chruch like this that was all whites blaming cancer on the blacks and hating amerikka she wouldnt even have run..... neither would her husband.
It looks like you are trying to make a point, but failed to do so. Are you trying to comment directly to the speech and the part you didn't like while missing the point as a whole? |
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« Reply #17 on: March 18, 2008, 08:08:42 PM » |
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in 1 of the clinton vs obama debates i remember obama saying to clinton that she cant take credit for the great things that happend when her husband was in office and say she had nothing to do with the failures. (anyone recall this?)
kinda ironic that obama seems to be doing the same exact thing he told clinton she can do that.
for those who need the extra help:
obama claims he wasnt in the church when the racist or un-amerikkan statement were said but he was there during the normal sermons.
also obamas response was that his former pastor said some regretable things that he disagrees with.
just like he is sure most of us hear things in church that we disagree with.....
well are we just lumping all disagreement into 1 lump sum here or are we talking about rasict remarts and anti-american remarks that all of our pastors are talking about?
maybe im just blessed but i have never been in a church where i heard either of these being promoted or nothing else even close.
also kinda shook my head when he called on his white racist grandmother who makes him cringe. i guess his fathers side of the faimly has nothing racist about them including where is son ended up going to church.
i know if clinton when to a chruch like this that was all whites blaming cancer on the blacks and hating amerikka she wouldnt even have run..... neither would her husband.
It looks like you are trying to make a point, but failed to do so. Are you trying to comment directly to the speech and the part you didn't like while missing the point as a whole? would you be so kind as to sum up the point that i missed? i would guess that my point is valid concidering its plastered over every channel and this wright a-hole is known as a racist extremist. either way can you please tell me where i went wrong in my post? |
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« Reply #18 on: March 18, 2008, 08:57:57 PM » |
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Does anyone know where one might find on the web the full sermons that the controversial comments were in? A little context would be nice.
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I'm not sure how "god damn america" can be put into a good light, but I too would like to see more than sound bites. After failing at a quick search I passed the request on to wikipedia. Actually it's part of a long historical tradition in America. Rejecting compromise and condemning America in strong terms for its crimes(real or alleged) is nothing new. Many of our 19th century abolitionists were steeped in it. Have you heard of David Walker's "Appeal to the Colored Citizens of the World", or William Lloyd Garrison who called the Constitution "a covenant with death and an agreement with hell"? |
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« Reply #19 on: March 19, 2008, 05:54:43 AM » |
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McCain said yesterday that we need to be in Afghanistan as well as Iraq for 100 years of war Please don't continue to lie (or misspeak) about what McCain said. Here; Republican presidential nominee John McCain says British and American troops should prepare for a 100-year commitment in Afghanistan. When asked about the possibility of a long-term operation by the British and American army similar to his infamous suggestion that US troops might have to stay in Iraq for up to 100 years, McCain asserted 'I think so. I think so'. http://www.presstv.com/Detail.aspx?id=47744§ionid=3510203 Here is some more crazy crap this moron is spouting...after bush and Reagan haven't we had enough of an idiot in chief? JERUSALEM — Senator John McCain’s trip overseas was supposed to highlight his foreign policy acumen, and his supporters hoped that it would showcase him as a statesman, allowing him to meet with world leaders as the Democrats squabble.
But all did not go according to plan on Tuesday in Amman, Jordan, when Mr. McCain, fresh from a visit to Iraq, misidentified some of the key players in the Iraq war.
Mr. McCain said several times during his visit to Jordan – during a news conference and a radio interview — that he was concerned that Iran was training members of Al Qaeda in Iraq. Now maybe Ron Mars could find some evidence of this ,but everyone else in the world knows that he is WAAAAAAAY off the mark. |
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« Reply #20 on: March 19, 2008, 06:00:41 AM » |
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McCain said yesterday that we need to be in Afghanistan as well as Iraq for 100 years of war might have to stay in Iraq We are still in Germany but are we at WAR with them? Of course not. You took McCain's words and have twisted them to mean something he clearly didn't say. Please don't do that. It is dishonest. |
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« Reply #21 on: March 19, 2008, 06:13:06 AM » |
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“We continue to be concerned about Iranian taking Al Qaeda into Iran, training them and sending them back,’’ Mr. McCain said at the news conference. Asked about that statement, Mr. McCain said: “Well, it’s common knowledge and has been reported in the media that Al Qaeda is going back into Iran and receiving training and are coming back into Iraq from Iran. That’s well known. And it’s unfortunate.”
It was not until he got a whispered correction from Senator Joseph I. Lieberman of Connecticut, who was traveling with Mr. McCain on the trip, which is a Congressional delegation, that Mr. McCain corrected himself. What did I "twist " here?? Is this the guy you want making decisions for our foreign policy?? We don't need another Alzheimer president thankyou! This wasn't a slip of the tounge he repeated this idiotcy three times on this trip. This is kind of important and he doesn't have a clue. |
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« Reply #22 on: March 19, 2008, 07:02:00 AM » |
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What did I "twist " here?? You said he said we'd be at WAR for 100 years. He said we could have a PRESENCE for 100 years. Two completely and distictively different things. Changing the MEANING of something is dishonest and really, a lie. |
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« Reply #23 on: March 19, 2008, 07:05:07 AM » |
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This is kind of important and he doesn't have a clue. If you care to put McCain's understanding of foreign policy and the military against that of Obama, that will be a losing issue. Obama's judgment is something he's working overtime to get OFF the front page right now. |
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« Reply #24 on: March 19, 2008, 09:49:57 AM » |
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Firstly this proves that you can say whatever you want as long as you can get yourself named a pastor.
Secondly, I find little fault in any of the critisisms he had of the U.S. We do have a long history of systematic repression of blacks and it still occurs today. We have been state sponsors of terror in many parts of the world and it was only a matter of time until our enemies were able to strike back. His rhetoric is meant to be enflamatory and was intended for a black audience.
Don't also forget that this was Barack Obama's preacher, NOT Barack Obama. If you have issue with his preacher then take that up with Rev. Wright. Obama responded openly in a spirit that Christians should understand. His preacher was a religious leader and a loving person that helped him find his way in life. But Wright's political opionions are his own, not representative of Obama.
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« Reply #25 on: March 19, 2008, 09:57:38 AM » |
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Firstly this proves that you can say whatever you want as long as you can get yourself named a pastor.
Secondly, I find little fault in any of the critisisms he had of the U.S. We do have a long history of systematic repression of blacks and it still occurs today. We have been state sponsors of terror in many parts of the world and it was only a matter of time until our enemies were able to strike back. His rhetoric is meant to be enflamatory and was intended for a black audience.
Don't also forget that this was Barack Obama's preacher, NOT Barack Obama. If you have issue with his preacher then take that up with Rev. Wright. Obama responded openly in a spirit that Christians should understand. His preacher was a religious leader and a loving person that helped him find his way in life. But Wright's political opionions are his own, not representative of Obama.
BARAK OBAMA, called this man his inspiration and had him on his campaign staff until last week when this story became more main stream. He seeks him for advice, and is being told the government created the aids virus to kill blacks..... yeahh umm ok... |
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« Reply #26 on: March 19, 2008, 12:40:47 PM » |
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Reaganite, I'm guessing by your name and avatar that Reagan is a large inspiration to to you? Would you agree?
By any chance do you agree with EVERYTHING he's said and done? Every little thing? Every word? Every opinion? Every action?
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Either you repeat the same conventional doctrines everybody is saying, or else you say something true, and it will sound like its from Neptune.
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« Reply #27 on: March 19, 2008, 03:34:06 PM » |
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freethinker, I'm anxious to see a response.
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« Reply #28 on: March 19, 2008, 07:29:53 PM » |
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You said he said we'd be at WAR for 100 years. He said we could have a PRESENCE for 100 years.
Two completely and distictively different things. Changing the MEANING of something is dishonest and really, a lie. May 1st 2003...Does that date mean anything to you New Rule?? It should, that was the date that Junior declared victory, "mission accomplished" in Iraq. That was the day I stopped referring to our Iraq presence as a war, and began referring to it more correctly as the Iraq occupation. Now many here and elsewhere have continued to call this occupation a war. What is it Neue? is it a war? ...an occupation?...a presence? Was war ever declared? Is McCain talking about camping out and sipping tea for 100 years? You can't parse words when it comes to these kinds of aggressive imperialistic policies, in such a volatile, politically and morally unstable part of the world. Presence ...occupation...police action...conflict...war. These definitions mean nothing with this bunch. The terms seem to interchange depending on the day and the mood. I was being realistic based on the track record. |
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« Reply #29 on: March 19, 2008, 09:43:14 PM » |
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Reaganite, I'm guessing by your name and avatar that Reagan is a large inspiration to to you? Would you agree?
By any chance do you agree with EVERYTHING he's said and done? Every little thing? Every word? Every opinion? Every action?
If I got to ask Reagan for advice daily and he gave me that advice I would cherish said advice and listen to him. To compare the two is isane... My father on the other hand who Obama has said white is like to him I trust fullly everything he says. |
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