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Author Topic: Polls are dumb... BUT haha  (Read 497 times)
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« on: March 19, 2008, 10:26:20 PM »

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Democrat Barack Obama's big national lead over Hillary Clinton has all but evaporated in the U.S. presidential race, and both Democrats trail Republican John McCain, according a Reuters/Zogby poll released on Wednesday.

Wed Mar 19, 2008 1:35pm EDT
By Steve Holland

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Democrat Barack Obama's big national lead over Hillary Clinton has all but evaporated in the U.S. presidential race, and both Democrats trail Republican John McCain, according a Reuters/Zogby poll released on Wednesday.

The poll showed Obama had only a statistically insignificant lead of 47 percent to 44 percent over Clinton, down sharply from a 14 point edge he held over her in February when he was riding the tide of 10 straight victories.

Illinois Sen. Obama, who would be America's first black president, has been buffeted by attacks in recent weeks from New York Sen. Clinton over his fitness to serve as commander-in-chief and by a tempest over racially charged sermons given by his Chicago preacher.

The poll showed Arizona Sen. McCain, who has clinched the Republican presidential nomination, is benefiting from the lengthy campaign battle between Obama and Clinton, who are now battling to win Pennsylvania on April 22.

McCain leads 46 percent to 40 percent in a hypothetical matchup against Obama in the November presidential election, according to the poll.

That is a sharp turnaround from the Reuters/Zogby poll from last month, which showed in a head-to-head matchup that Obama would beat McCain 47 percent to 40 percent.

"The last couple of weeks have taken a toll on Obama and in a general election match-up, on both Democrats," said pollster John Zogby.

Matched up against Clinton, McCain leads 48 percent to 40 percent, narrower than his 50 to 38 percent advantage over her in February.


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Seriously ... How did the dems screw this up?  They have this election in the bag all they had to do is pick a condidate...

I wonder if Obama is still going to quote this poll in his speeches like he has been claiming he can beat McCain and hillary cant?
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« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2008, 11:25:43 PM »

Well, technically, he still has a lead over Clinton, but no, it doesn't say he'll win.

But honestly, all this proves is that polls AREN'T accurate predictions of anything considering how often they oscilate depending on the relevent information and the current "scandal".
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« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2008, 04:15:41 AM »

And the dems seem pretty good at screwing this shit up.  Look at the last election.  All they needed was a decent canidate, and the could have won.  I mean against the worst pres ever?  COme on, my mother bridge club could have cleaned up against him.  But no, the dems are gonna run on 'anybody but Bush!' and similar crap, and hand the moron another four.  Sheesh.  I really do blame dems for his last four....
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« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2008, 10:05:05 AM »

Well if you look back to the 1992 election, Clinton was number 3 in the polls behind Bush Sr. and Ross Perot coming out of the primary.  As we can see, polls taken now to predict an election months away are meaningless.  Hell, I thought after New Hampshire no one would use polls as a real measure of anything when it comes to this election.
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« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2008, 10:18:01 AM »

The problem lies, IMHO, with the dirty tactics used by the Clintons. Obama has tried to run a clean and forward looking campaign, but he has had to answer dirty and viscious smears. If the Democrats lose, they can blame the Clintons.

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« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2008, 10:26:02 AM »

 I wouldn't say that polls are meaningless...They do indicate direction ...what they don't indicate is destination. They are a useful weather vane They are not a crystal ball.
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« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2008, 10:28:24 AM »

I wouldn't say that polls are meaningless...They do indicate direction ...what they don't indicate is destination. They are a useful weather vane They are not a crystal ball.

Excellent analogy.

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« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2008, 10:33:10 AM »

The problem lies, IMHO, with the dirty tactics used by the Clintons. Obama has tried to run a clean and forward looking campaign, but he has had to answer dirty and viscious smears. If the Democrats lose, they can blame the Clintons.

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Umm are you saying clinton paid rev White to be a racist for 20 years and forced the saint like Obama to befriend him and go to his church?

or are you saying that by clinton pointing on Obama has no executive experience and no forgien policy experience and does not even know Canada does not have a president are dirty tactics?

I dont think clinton has made up anything yet about Obama but if she has please explain...
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« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2008, 10:51:00 AM »

The problem lies, IMHO, with the dirty tactics used by the Clintons. Obama has tried to run a clean and forward looking campaign, but he has had to answer dirty and viscious smears. If the Democrats lose, they can blame the Clintons.

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Umm are you saying clinton paid rev White to be a racist for 20 years and forced the saint like Obama to befriend him and go to his church?

or are you saying that by clinton pointing on Obama has no executive experience and no forgien policy experience and does not even know Canada does not have a president are dirty tactics?

I dont think clinton has made up anything yet about Obama but if she has please explain...

A great deal of it has been innuendo rather than out and out lies. "He is not a muslim as far as I know" is a good example. Bill Clinton's "Fairy tale" comments are another.

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« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2008, 11:07:52 AM »

The problem lies, IMHO, with the dirty tactics used by the Clintons. Obama has tried to run a clean and forward looking campaign, but he has had to answer dirty and viscious smears. If the Democrats lose, they can blame the Clintons.

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Umm are you saying clinton paid rev White to be a racist for 20 years and forced the saint like Obama to befriend him and go to his church?

or are you saying that by clinton pointing on Obama has no executive experience and no forgien policy experience and does not even know Canada does not have a president are dirty tactics?

I dont think clinton has made up anything yet about Obama but if she has please explain...

A great deal of it has been innuendo rather than out and out lies. "He is not a muslim as far as I know" is a good example. Bill Clinton's "Fairy tale" comments are another.

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Please link where clinton called him a muslim, and it is a fariytail to think if Obama is elected republicans will suddenly say ohh lets play nice and give him what he wants.
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« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2008, 01:00:39 PM »

The problem lies, IMHO, with the dirty tactics used by the Clintons. Obama has tried to run a clean and forward looking campaign, but he has had to answer dirty and viscious smears. If the Democrats lose, they can blame the Clintons.

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Umm are you saying clinton paid rev White to be a racist for 20 years and forced the saint like Obama to befriend him and go to his church?

or are you saying that by clinton pointing on Obama has no executive experience and no forgien policy experience and does not even know Canada does not have a president are dirty tactics?

I dont think clinton has made up anything yet about Obama but if she has please explain...

A great deal of it has been innuendo rather than out and out lies. "He is not a muslim as far as I know" is a good example. Bill Clinton's "Fairy tale" comments are another.

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Please link where clinton called him a muslim, and it is a fariytail to think if Obama is elected republicans will suddenly say ohh lets play nice and give him what he wants.


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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/03/hillary-obama-not-muslim_n_89546.html
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« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2008, 01:18:08 PM »

what does this have to do with anything... Clinton explains that Obama is a liar...

He then explains how Obama has been going dirty....  I dont understand why ya link that youtube of Bill and claim that its negative?

In the link of Shilary.. she cleary staes SHE DOES NOT THINK obama is a Muslim, and takes him on his word that he is not a muslim.... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/03/hillary-obama-not-muslim_n_89546.html Why post that as it proves not your point but mine.

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« Reply #12 on: March 20, 2008, 01:42:12 PM »

what does this have to do with anything... Clinton explains that Obama is a liar...

He then explains how Obama has been going dirty....  I dont understand why ya link that youtube of Bill and claim that its negative?

In the link of Shilary.. she cleary staes SHE DOES NOT THINK obama is a Muslim, and takes him on his word that he is not a muslim.... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/03/hillary-obama-not-muslim_n_89546.html Why post that as it proves not your point but mine.



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« Reply #13 on: March 20, 2008, 01:47:03 PM »

what does this have to do with anything... Clinton explains that Obama is a liar...

He then explains how Obama has been going dirty....  I dont understand why ya link that youtube of Bill and claim that its negative?

In the link of Shilary.. she cleary staes SHE DOES NOT THINK obama is a Muslim, and takes him on his word that he is not a muslim.... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/03/hillary-obama-not-muslim_n_89546.html Why post that as it proves not your point but mine.



http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=65704

Look Obama just called him Grandmother a typical white person because she is a racist that does not trust black men in the street.  Imagine if McCain or Clinton called someone that mugs "typical white people" as a Typical black person...

lololol

This guy is imploding faster then Dean in 2004.

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« Reply #14 on: March 20, 2008, 11:49:28 PM »

And the dems seem pretty good at screwing this shit up.  Look at the last election.  All they needed was a decent canidate, and the could have won.  I mean against the worst pres ever?  COme on, my mother bridge club could have cleaned up against him.  But no, the dems are gonna run on 'anybody but Bush!' and similar crap, and hand the moron another four.  Sheesh.  I really do blame dems for his last four....

Damn Biker.... I usually find your reasoning to be logical but this time I have to say you are wrong.

How can you blame Bush's reelection on the Dems?

Was it the Democrat's fault that Bush and his Administration was successful in covering up numerous scandals and delaying the release of reports that were damaging to Bush until after the election?

Was it the Democrat's fault that the MSM gave a free pass to the Swift boat vets to push their BS without having almost any of them point out the military's records didn't back them up?

Was it the Democrat's fault that Ohio republicans were able to disenfranchise tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of mostly Democrat voters?

Was it the Democrat's fault that conservatives and independents were suckered into voting for Bush for a second term?

I don't think so!!

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