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Hamas: Blast that killed 2 was accident By IBRAHIM BARZAK, Associated Press Writer March 20, 2008 GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip - Palestinian militants accidentally set off a large blast at a Hamas training base in the central Gaza Strip on Thursday, killing two members of the violent Islamic group and wounding another, a Palestinian medical official said. Hamas initially blamed Israel for the blast, but later acknowledged that it was caused by a mishandling of explosives, saying its men died while performing a "holy mission." The Israeli military denied involvement.... http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/israel_palestinians;_ylt=ArE7ENuCJ6OoT74xoyNJhlwUvioA "mishandling of explosives"... a "holy mission"... Gee... I wonder what that "holy mission" intended to do?? And this is the "ideology ready for peace??
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« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2008, 06:17:15 AM » |
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Hamas wants peace with what they do and on their terms. They also want to destroy Israel. A little bit more on the 'mishap': http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/mar/20/israelandthepalestinians
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« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2008, 06:43:24 AM » |
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Hamas wants peace with what they do and on their terms. They also want to destroy Israel. Now be careful Terry  ... if you site the Covenant of Hamas which details Hamas' objectives of destroying Israel, Yilmaz might call it "zionist propaganda" (as if that somehow invalidates the source)... lol "Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it" ...whose allegiance is to Allah, and whose way of life is Islam. It strives to raise the banner of Allah over every inch of PalestineInitiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences, are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movementhttp://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/mideast/hamas.htmBut they're really "good guys" I suppose... lol
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« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2008, 05:47:32 PM » |
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And another "oops" 3 killed in explosion in Gaza houseApril. 13, 2008 GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip - Palestinian medical officials say three people have died in an explosion in a house in the Gaza Strip.Local residents say the house belongs to a member of the Hamas militant group. They say that Sunday's blast likely resulted from the accidental detonation of explosives. The Israeli military says its forces were not involved in the explosion. Dr. Moaiya Hassanain of Gaza's health ministry says seven other people were wounded. It wasn't immediately clear if the casualties were civilians or militants. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24091044/ Had it been Israel targeting these bomb-making terrorists, dropping a bomb on the seemingly residential house where the bombs were being built ...we'd hear the Palestinians and Arabs crying foul... throwing out accusations about evil Israel targeting a residential house... killing civilians, etc... But when Hamas is caught with it's pants down building bombs/explosives in residential areas, and an explosion kills 3 and wounds 7 of it's own... it apparently is only a minor story. ... But I'm SUREEE the traditional "condemnations" of such activities are coming soon from Abbas/Fatah and Hamas...waiting... waiting... ::)lol
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« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2008, 10:53:10 AM » |
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Excerpts... concerning Palestinian Terrorism... July 31, 2002 Israel's War For Terrorism by Ran HaCohen So after 21 months of violence, a ray of hope could be observed. A chance for cease-fire, for a cessation of violence. Unilaterally even, without any demands from occupying side. Israel's reaction was immediate and swift. "One and a half hours after the Tanzim leadership approved the document at its Jenin gathering, Israel carried out the assassination of Salah Shehadeh, in the course of which dozens of civilians were killed and wounded as well. In this way, Israel apparently destroyed the chance to test the viability of a cease-fire" (ibid.).
Though this be madness, yet there is Method in it. Time and again, Israeli assassinations (as well as other offensive measures) abruptly ended prolonged periods of hope. In November 2001, the assassination of the Hamas activist Mahmoud Abu Hanoud was carried out just when the Hamas was respecting for two months its agreement with Arafat not to attack inside Israel. In January 2002, the assassination of Raed Karmi ended a few weeks of relative quiet in the territories. The same pattern repeated itself this time too. The operation was no mistake; the decision to use a bomb instead of missiles, the more usual means used by Israel for its extra-judiciary killings, was undoubtedly deliberate. And whoever gave the order to drop, in the middle of the night, a 1.000 kg bomb on a residential house in one of the most densely populated strips on earth, knew very well what he was doing. It was a premeditated act of state terrorism, a cold-blooded massacre. 14 innocent civilians, 9 of them children, were killed to ensure the continuation of Palestinian terrorism, in which many more innocent civilians will be killed.
It has been established beyond any reasonable doubt that Sharon does not want to stop terrorism, but rather to perpetuate it. The very moment political negotiations seemed to be serious, the very moment Palestinians intended to stop terrorism, Israel dropped a bomb. Whether Sharon should be sent to the Hague or rather to Guantanamo is one question; a more important one is: why has he done it? The Benefits of Terrorism
Here is where terrorism comes in. Israel cannot carry out these atrocious plans without effective propaganda. Terrorism has always been an excellent excuse, even more so since September 11th. The plans were there long before, as documented painstakingly by Israeli analyst Tanya Reinhart. They have nothing to do with terrorism: they are aimed at entrenching the Israeli occupation, making it irreversible and reducing the Palestinians to ashes. But every terror attack enables Israel to implement the next steps in its premeditated plans, and to sell it to the world as "self-defence", "retaliation", "prevention" etc. No wonder, then, that none of these plans actually stops terrorism: they are not meant to. And since terrorism gives the best legitimation for carrying them out, stopping terrorism would be, from Israel's point of view, counter-productive.
Palestinian terrorism thus serves Israel's interests on both an international and a national level. Internationally, Israel's propaganda machine efficiently exploits every terror attack to strengthen Israel's image as a victim, and to obscure and justify the proceeding oppression of the Palestinians. Moreover, the Israeli use of terrorism has now been adopted by the American administration, that keeps sending Israel money – $200 million last week – for "fighting terrorism" (note that Israel may spend it as it wishes!); and, as the Washington Post put it (28.7.02), "the United States should not pressure Sharon's government while Palestinian violence continues."
Nationally, as Spinoza observed back in the 17th century, people in adversity "know not where to turn, but beg and pray for counsel from every passer-by. No plan is then too futile, too absurd, or too fatuous for their adoption; the most frivolous causes will raise them to hope, or plunge them into despair." Keeping the Israeli people constantly exposed to fatal violence (and to "terror alerts", true or false) is the best way to ensure national coherence. Understandably terrified, most Israelis indeed back the most futile, absurd and fatuous – not to say immoral – operations of their government, misled to believe that its goal is securing their lives rather than perpetuating a murderous occupation that most Israelis do not want.
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« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2008, 11:32:03 AM » |
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All the Hamas terrorists have to do to stop being attacked by Israel is to not attack Israel in any way. The problem is that Hamas views its own citizens as great shields from which to operate. Now if they view their own peoples lives as cannon fodder, why do you think Hamas gives a damn who they attack.
All Israel has to do is open all the checkpoints into Gaza, and allow the Rafeh checkpoint between Gaza and Egypt to be opened.
Both the above will never happen, primarily because the Hamas Charter calls for the destruction of Israel, which means everything to them. Curiously, Hamas has the support of the population of Gaza, but not that of the Arabs or the Arab League.
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Its not what they say that bothers me, its what they say that just aint so that does ! - Will Rogers So that we may end the oppression wrought by our own hands.
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« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2008, 12:41:54 PM » |
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Unredacted will end up pretty much redacted, moreover its non-redacted but i'm not Algerian to know that for sure.
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« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2008, 01:33:51 PM » |
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I wonder why unredacted doesnt post links to his story?
Could it be he doesnt want us to scrutinize the source? Without a link unredacted your post is pointless.
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« Reply #8 on: May 31, 2008, 07:47:16 PM » |
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I wonder why unredacted doesnt post links to his story? forgetfull, or has no habit of doing that Could it be he doesnt want us to scrutinize the source? it could. Now the source is all yours to scrutinize: ( http://www.antiwar.com/hacohen/h073102.html) Without a link unredacted your post is pointless. it isn't. Found the source in 3 sec, incld. the time for copy-paste and the google search. dropping a bomb on the seemingly residential house where the bombs were being built that doesn't answer the question of the timing of the strikes. There is a pattern: Israel is normally first to break a ceasefire. The excuse would make sense if Israel had any distant hope of destroying all Palestinian bomb factories, or killing all the bombmakers, in that single strike. But breaking an armistice in order to kill a single person presupposes understanding of the retaliation attacks. And that's what the aim of
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« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2008, 10:39:07 AM » |
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And here we go again... Hamas making bombs WHILE HIDING BEHIND CIVILIANS: Hamas militant killed in explosion in Gaza City Sat May 31, 2:28 AM ET GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip - An explosion in the house of a Hamas militant killed him and wounded 16 of his relatives and neighbors, health officials said Saturday. Doctors say two are in critical condition. The Palestinian Interior Ministry says it's investigating the cause of the blast at the home of Hamas activist Nader Abu Shaban. Hamas officials say Abu Shaban was handling explosives just before the blast. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/palestinians_hamas;_ylt=AjSjHZBd4PkOL8GYduEWsMIUvioAAs with so many times before, HAD it been Israel targeting these bomb-making terrorists, dropping a bomb on the seemingly residential house where the bombs were being built to, no doubt target innocent israelis ...we'd hear the Palestinians and Arabs crying foul... throwing out accusations about evil Israel targeting a residential house... killing innocent civilians, etc... But when Hamas is caught once again with it's pants down building bombs/explosives in residential areas, ... and there's an explosion killing a terrorist and wounding 16 of his "relatives and neighbors"... it's apparently not that big of a story. ... But I'm SUREEE the traditional "condemnations" of such activities are coming soon from Abbas/Fatah and Hamas...waiting... waiting... ::)lol
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« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2008, 12:07:37 PM » |
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I wonder why unredacted doesnt post links to his story? forgetfull, or has no habit of doing that Could it be he doesnt want us to scrutinize the source? it could. Now the source is all yours to scrutinize: ( http://www.antiwar.com/hacohen/h073102.html) Without a link unredacted your post is pointless. it isn't. Found the source in 3 sec, incld. the time for copy-paste and the google search. dropping a bomb on the seemingly residential house where the bombs were being built that doesn't answer the question of the timing of the strikes. There is a pattern: Israel is normally first to break a ceasefire. The excuse would make sense if Israel had any distant hope of destroying all Palestinian bomb factories, or killing all the bombmakers, in that single strike. But breaking an armistice in order to kill a single person presupposes understanding of the retaliation attacks. And that's what the aim of perhaps a ceasefire is NOT is Israels best interest?
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« Reply #11 on: June 01, 2008, 08:27:59 PM » |
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You can cease fire with one fraction and not with shitloads of terrorist units whose leader decided to play a hero. Israel will continue to target terrorists with cease fire or not. Germany capitulated but it didn't stop some nation to trial nazis who got found here and there.
pimp slapped yourself again, Tarasik ?
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« Reply #12 on: June 02, 2008, 01:13:51 PM » |
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You can cease fire with one fraction and not with shitloads of terrorist units whose leader decided to play a hero. Israel will continue to target terrorists with cease fire or not. Germany capitulated but it didn't stop some nation to trial nazis who got found here and there.
pimp slapped yourself again, Tarasik ?
I agree. Terorists are terrorists and there will always be terrorist attacking Israel because the land, it seems is damned until the ends of times. But that doesn't invalidate an eventual peace process/treaty.
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« Reply #13 on: June 02, 2008, 08:35:49 PM » |
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Yes , it does invalidate
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