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« on: March 21, 2008, 06:46:30 PM »

I've just read a post called "American politics for Europeans" by OswaldTheOsprey. It's quite interesting but I think that you can help Europeans (in particular, me) to get a better understanding of the next issue:

Differences between democrats and republicans.   


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« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2008, 07:00:00 PM »

I've just read a post called "American politics for Europeans" by OswaldTheOsprey. It's quite interesting but I think that you can help Europeans (in particular, me) to get a better understanding of the next issue:

Differences between democrats and republicans.  


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 Well here's an example I heard a while ago that IMO exemplifies the difference between Republicans and Democrats;
 A Democrat can't sit down and thoroughly enjoy his Thanksgiving dinner because there are millions of starving people in the world... The Republican can't sit down and thoroughly enjoy his Thanksgiving dinner unless there are millions of starving people in the world. Wink
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« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2008, 07:51:05 PM »

"A Republican stands up in Congress and says, 'I have a shitty idea." And then a Democrat stands up and says, 'I can make it shittier'."


In all seriousness, it's hard to define either party. Each has its extremists and moderates... and neither party is willing to admit that the other guys may be right... even if they are. Basically, if they ever DO agree on something together, you should be worried...

NCLB, Patriot Act, Domestic Spying...

These haven't gone over well with the general population...
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« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2008, 04:36:03 AM »

From my observations:

All reps support the freedom to bear arms, while not all of the dems oppose it.

All dems support raising taxes to finance public spending while all reps support tax cuts no matter how screwed publics finances are.

All dems think the US should be the top dog in the world while all the reps think all the other dogs should be muzzled.

Most dems are pro-choice while most reps support banning abortions

Most dems support social welfare while reps support corporate wellfare (ie spending for the poor vs. giving money to corporations)


"A Republican stands up in Congress and says, 'I have a shitty idea." And then a Democrat stands up and says, 'I can make it shittier'."


In all seriousness, it's hard to define either party. Each has its extremists and moderates... and neither party is willing to admit that the other guys may be right... even if they are. Basically, if they ever DO agree on something together, you should be worried...

NCLB, Patriot Act, Domestic Spying...

These haven't gone over well with the general population...
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« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2008, 09:02:53 AM »

Rather than get opinions of partisan anonymous internet posters...why not visit the individual party websites?
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« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2008, 11:27:25 AM »

From my observations:

All reps support the freedom to bear arms, while not all of the dems oppose it.

However,in the REAL world, the most restrictive gun bans have come under the presidencies of George Bush, Bill Clinton, and HW Bush, BOTH SIDES.  The Supreme Court, which is 7-2 Republican appointed, is about to allow our government to ban guns in AMERICAN cities by deciding in favor of the former MURDER CAPTITAL OF THE USA and extremely liberal (or DEM) Mayor of Washington DC.  In addition, this president, the -ssh-l- that he is, just signed the Dem. Congress' CHIPS Improvement Act which will take away the right to bear arms from up to 40% of our current military after they are done serving their country.  As many as 35 MILLION AMERICAN children, before they reach the age to buy a gun, will lose their right clearly stated in the 2nd Amendment FOR LIFE., and anyone else who happens to be diagnosed "mentally defective," by ANY quack given authority to make a diagnosis.  Let's not even discuss the aggregeous and overly aggressive tactics of the BATF, under this REP president, fully funded by REP Congress and DEM Congress, to shut down gun dealerships all over the country based on things as simple as type-o's.

All dems support raising taxes to finance public spending while all reps support tax cuts no matter how screwed publics finances are.

However, in the real world, BOTH SIDES fully support the idea of increased spending and doing anything they can think of to pay for it.  The DEMS (although McCain cetainly voted for his share of tax increases) support tax increases, but the REPS just simply have the FED print up the money, neither will do anything but DESTROY the value of our dollar and force jobs to thrid world countries.

All dems think the US should be the top dog in the world while all the reps think all the other dogs should be muzzled.

However, in the real world, power players on BOTH sides are in the pockets of a select small group of people that don't give a sh-t about America, other than how to profit most of off the dissolution of our country, it's soverignty, our borders, and our freedoms by destoring our economy, our legal system, our currency, and our infrastructure in the intrests of foreign corporations and foreign bankers.  The war in the Middle East only serves to sway world public opinion AGAINST America, so no country will be eager to run to our aid when we implode by GLOBALIST design.

Most dems are pro-choice while most reps support banning abortions

However, in the REAL world, the 7-2 REPUBLICAN Supreme Court refuses to hear a Pro-Life case to over turn RoevWade.  The REPUBLICAN controlled Congress failed to even offer up a law to ban abortions, let alone pass one.  Top Congress on BOTH sides are PRO-ABORTION, PRO-EUGENICS, and PRO-POPULATION CONTROL (want to reduce it 80-to 99.5%) globalist scum.

Most dems support social welfare while reps support corporate wellfare (ie spending for the poor vs. giving money to corporations)
However, in the REAL world, No Child Left Behind was a bush program.  The expansion of the DoEd has been greatest under this president and the REPUBLICAN controlled Congress.  Both sides support the 10 planks of the Communist Manifesto which includes a public education system to dumb the people down and properly propagandize the public, a welfare system to implement controls on the private decicions made by the people, a central bank to control the value of money to make the people dependant on the government, government control over communications and transportation to watch what the people say and where the people go, government regulation of labor to determine the value of that labor, government regional planning to control the living standard in areas of the country, and corporate farming to control the food.  TOTAL MALTHUSIAN!!!!  TOTAL ENSLAVEMENT!!!!

"A Republican stands up in Congress and says, 'I have a shitty idea." And then a Democrat stands up and says, 'I can make it shittier'."


In all seriousness, it's hard to define either party. Each has its extremists and moderates... and neither party is willing to admit that the other guys may be right... even if they are. Basically, if they ever DO agree on something together, you should be worried...

NCLB, Patriot Act, Domestic Spying...

These haven't gone over well with the general population...

It is NOT hard to explain the difference between these CRIMINALS.  THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THESE CRIMINALS.  They ALL (the one's that make decisions, set agendas) belong to the CFR, the Tri-Lateral Commission, and get large campaign contributions from members of the Bilderbergers and the corporations that they run.  They are ALL well vetted and do as they are told.  They are run by GLOBALIST SCUM that seek to dissolve the USofA and form a NAU to combine with the EU, the Asian Union, the African Union, into a GLOBAL GOVERNMENT with one world leader and one world religion (that will be nothing like Christianity) will a world population of 500 MILLION or LESS!!!

They admit that it is what they want.  They admit it is what they are doing.  They publish the plans.  They BRAG about their accomplishments.  All you need to do is read it for yourself, and you will see what I mean.

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« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2008, 11:32:52 AM »

Patton,

I prefer to run away from the typical parties' propaganda and get into people opinions in order to achieve a more independent point of view of things. For sure, sometimes partisans go further than parties' propaganda but I think that I will get more critical opinions that in any website. Anyway I'll try to visit their websites (thing that, sincerely, I did not do)    

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« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2008, 12:18:07 PM »

A democrat and a republican are walking down the street and come across a homeless man who has a sign, "Will Work For Food." The Republican pulls a business card out of his wallet and gives it to the man. He tells the man to go see his friend about a job and then he gives the man 20 dollars and tells him to get a haircut. The democrat, not wanting to be shown up by the republican, grabs the business card out of the homeless person's hand and writes down the address of the nearest welfare office, he then reaches his hand into the republicans pocket and pulls out 40 dollars, giving 20 to the homeless man and putting 20 into his own pocket.

This is the main difference between the two parties.
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« Reply #8 on: March 22, 2008, 01:01:34 PM »

So you're basically saying the dems are smarter than the reps...... and that one should own a certain amount of wealth before deciding to become a republican....

A democrat and a republican are walking down the street and come across a homeless man who has a sign, "Will Work For Food." The Republican pulls a business card out of his wallet and gives it to the man. He tells the man to go see his friend about a job and then he gives the man 20 dollars and tells him to get a haircut. The democrat, not wanting to be shown up by the republican, grabs the business card out of the homeless person's hand and writes down the address of the nearest welfare office, he then reaches his hand into the republicans pocket and pulls out 40 dollars, giving 20 to the homeless man and putting 20 into his own pocket.

This is the main difference between the two parties.
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« Reply #9 on: March 22, 2008, 02:17:00 PM »

So you're basically saying the dems are smarter than the reps...... and that one should own a certain amount of wealth before deciding to become a republican....

A democrat and a republican are walking down the street and come across a homeless man who has a sign, "Will Work For Food." The Republican pulls a business card out of his wallet and gives it to the man. He tells the man to go see his friend about a job and then he gives the man 20 dollars and tells him to get a haircut. The democrat, not wanting to be shown up by the republican, grabs the business card out of the homeless person's hand and writes down the address of the nearest welfare office, he then reaches his hand into the republicans pocket and pulls out 40 dollars, giving 20 to the homeless man and putting 20 into his own pocket.

This is the main difference between the two parties.

The story I told was a joke, with some truth to it, but only a little. Democrats are very generous, with other people's money. They want to save all the starving kids, they want to help everyone who needs help, no matter how lazy these people might be, no matter if they might be working under the table for cash, they want the FEDGOV to take care of everyone. Republicans want people to take care of themselves. Of course this is not exactly the case anymore. Currently both parties have sold out the people and now answer to special interests. Both parties have little power when compared to the banks, or the corporations. Just look at how much money the pharmaceutical industry spends on lobbying and campaign contributions. What do they get in return for their hundreds of millions of dollars?

In reality, there is little difference between the two ruling parties. Anyone who disagrees is simply living in DENIAL.

Healthcare spent massive amounts of money lobbying Congress over the last decade.........

In federal lobbying alone, healthcare spending exceeded $2.2 billion
the past decade, during which healthcare surpassed all other industry
sectors in lobbying expenditures.


2.2 BILLION. So, what do they get in return for that investment?

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=109&STORY=/www/story/06-22-2007/0004613490&EDATE

Both parties have sold out the people and until we vote them both out of office, no significant, positive change will occur.

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« Reply #10 on: March 22, 2008, 10:01:25 PM »

One of the best short pieces on this subject can be found here........

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=14629

Joseph Farah uses the great historian and Clinton Mentor, Carroll Quigley, to illustrate his point.

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« Reply #11 on: March 24, 2008, 01:29:43 PM »

Thanks for your opinions.

I agree with the importance of lobbies as has been said above , but what do you think about the system influence (two-party system)? and, moreover, what do you think about the influence of things like the next new?

http://www.america.gov/st/elections08-english/2007/October/20071016174359ndyblehs0.8567926.html   
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« Reply #12 on: March 24, 2008, 03:23:48 PM »

Two party systems are all about the illusion of having a choice. While multi party systems (where 3 or even 4 way coalitions are almost the norm) is about the illusion of having options. In one youu choose one or the other. In the second you can choose whatever you want, at the end they'll have to work together. Either way it is sure as hell that not much changes even with elections....
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« Reply #13 on: March 24, 2008, 03:26:46 PM »

A while ago Baldar and I got in a debate about why a multi-party system is worse than a dual-party system.

I left unconvinced.

Multi-party systems are better in pretty much EVERY way...
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« Reply #14 on: March 24, 2008, 03:47:00 PM »

Two party systems are all about the illusion of having a choice. While multi party systems (where 3 or even 4 way coalitions are almost the norm) is about the illusion of having options. In one youu choose one or the other. In the second you can choose whatever you want, at the end they'll have to work together. Either way it is sure as hell that not much changes even with elections....

Well said. It is all about the ILLUSION.

Look at all the problems in the USA. Name one of the largest problems that is being fixed.

Nothing changes, at least not for the better. Both parties are controlled by the same groups. Until the people admit this simple fact, we will continue our downward spiral, while the corporations continue to make record profits.
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