You are taking one thing you like (Obama) and trying to reverse engineer it to work with something you don't like (religion). That's jumping through a bunch of hoops there.

ps: how is it possible, in your mind, to look at the complexity of the universe and think for a moment that it came into existence out of no where and organized itself randomly? To me, that would be like expecting a tornado to sweep through a town and with the material it sucked up, to come away with a working automobile. How many objects have we seen nature randomly recreate with its power?

I think it takes a heck of alot more faith to think we just happened onto the earth out of a primordial soup than to think there was an intelligent designer behind it.

You are exactly right. Information is filtered from a particular point of view. That's why some scientists say evolution is the only possibility and some religious people say the earth is only 4000 years old.

For me, I see something as complex as the earth and realize the multitude of events that have to go right to sustain life. Could all of that happen by chance?

To me, it's easy....no.

Let me add...it is commonly accepted that the universe started with a big bang.

One question. Where did the matter come from? What caused the explosion? Why hasn't there been another?

I've never heard these answered. Have you?

Would you have preferred "strong convictions"?

Can't say I see the relevence of your question...


No, it really isn't. First of all, let me say that I don't really "like" Obama. I basically hate the other 2 more... so Obama is my "lesser of 3 evils".

But on a fundemental level, what Obama is saying is nothing like what Huckabee said. Even IN context, what Huckabee said is... frightning. Obama just feels motivated by religion... not directed by it.


And you're saying that much power WITH the added complexity of sentience is easier to understand?


And I don't...

Alas, the crux of many debates... but not this one.

Only God can answer this question.

OswaldTheOsprey

No, I just think he has a better understanding of the concept that religion shouldn't direct US policy.

I guess I would prefer you say what you mean.

Earlier you said:

I see a huge difference between the 2, significant enough for me not to even consider Obama a figure of "religousosity". Just a guy... with strong faith.

If a man is not seen as being "religious", then what is having a "strong faith?"

What is the difference....where is the line drawn?