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Viv.
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« Reply #30 on: May 12, 2008, 10:13:08 AM »

A referendum might be a good thing for people in Scotland, they could debate if they want to still be a part of the UK and lay the issue to rest.  It would be a sad day for me if Scotland was no longer a part of the Uk but even so if I think it wont happen people in Scotland have a right to determination this for themselves and to be able to state such things openly.  Even so I find it unlikely that there will be a referendum, as sixty percent of Scotland's parliamentarians, seem to oppose independence.

Well...there have been developments:

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The political story due to become the biggest in the UK, and the one that should really strike fear into Gordon Brown and the entire British Labour movement, is nothing to do with Boris or Ken or Dave, but Wendy.

The Scottish Labour leader, Wendy Alexander, in a genuinely jaw-dropping moment, has signalled support for a referendum on Scottish independence. And she wants it now. The calculation is that the SNP would lose a popular vote on the constitution, putting to bed any debate over independence for a generation and skewering Alex Salmond into the bargain. It's also precisely the opposite of what Alexander has been arguing ever since she assumed the leadership.http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/may/07/scotland.scotland

Apparently Alex Salmond, the leader of the Scottish Nationalists who head the Scottish Parliament, is playing it very carefully.  It is what his party wants and has been working toward, but he is taking time to scrutinize the legal aspects to ensure there is no possibility of the goalposts being moved, as happened when Margaret Thatcher held the same referendum, but refused to grant independence by using legal jiggerypokery.  One of the reasons the Scots do not vote Conservative...

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« Reply #31 on: May 13, 2008, 07:05:49 AM »

Interesting, and clever. It's certainly the view I think the Scottish Labour party should be taking. If they can win a referendum, then that will severely hurt the SNP. If they lose, well then obviously the people of the area don't want to be part of the UK, and it would be anti-democratic to keep them in the UK.
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« Reply #32 on: May 13, 2008, 08:45:25 AM »

I sense your anticipation.  Knowing your views as I do, you will be hoping for the opposite result from me, but you are right that we should not be held in the union if we do not support it. 

People are putting different interpretations on her actions, though.  It is said she did this without consulting Gordon Brown.  He is supposedly not amused.  Some think she is an out of control idiot. 

All depends how the referendum goes, how she ends up being perceived.  But Salmond is no fool.  He may decide not to take her up on it and simply stay in power and hope to build on the power he has in the next election. 

You know how I will be voting, anyway..
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« Reply #33 on: May 14, 2008, 07:22:21 AM »

I don't think Salmond can turn it down. What would it look like to Scottish nationalists if the SNP refused to hold a referendum on independance? If he does that in order to consolidate his power, he'll lose his legitimacy as the voice of Scottish nationalism. That's why it's clever. He could argue about the mechanics of the referendum and put it off that way, but he'd have to do it in such a way that people don't realise he's deliberately putting it off.
It's certainly likely that she didn't consult Brown, as I doubt he'd allow a referendum. After all, there's no way he's going to want to try and be President (I assume an independant Scotland would be a republic, since there's little interest in the monarchy there) of Scotland when he could be Prime Minister of the UK.
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« Reply #34 on: May 16, 2008, 12:43:38 PM »

I don't know about that.  Last I heard, Salmond had no plans to axe the monarchy.  SNP policy was to retain a streamlined version of it.

I don't think he will avoid a referendum.  Just making sure the right questions are asked in it.

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