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Author Topic: any tips for a Europe Trip  (Read 4807 times)
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« Reply #30 on: May 18, 2008, 12:50:31 PM »

I've always fancied Eastern Europe (my ancestral home). I got to go to Denmark and Estonia and loved them both. Denmark was wee bit pricey ($10 USD for a beer!), but Estonia wasn't so bad. And most places you'll visit accomodate people who speak English - so that's a plus.

And they didn't hate us cause we were American, so that was nice.

As for places in Europe - personally I think Rome is overrated. I went and it was nice... but after you see the historical places, there isn't much to do. Plus, the city around Rome is pretty seedy. Some friends and I got stuck in Rome for the night and it was just very dirty.

Go to Rome for the day and then bounce.
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« Reply #31 on: May 25, 2008, 12:17:05 PM »

Yeah, well I wanted to go to Italy this summer, but the venue has changed and I'm cruising the Med for 14 days instead.  The ship leaves from here, where I live and it returns here also.  I don't have the itinerary memorised yet, but it includes Morroco, Barcelona, Sete (France), Palma (Balearic Islands) Cadiz, Lisbon, Almeira. 

I have visited 3 of these places before, but really want to see Morroco again.  Some people don't like Tangiers, but I was there a few years ago and loved it, it is so different from our world and that is what I enjoy...seeing a culture which has all that we have, but mixes ancient with modern in a way that we never do.  I hate it when I go somewhere and it's just westernised and homogenised.

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« Reply #32 on: June 21, 2008, 08:45:32 PM »

Comrade Joe, there are scenes in Naples and Paris which are worse than anything you posted.  Should people also not visit the beautiful Amalfi coast or the "City of Light" (well personally I would contend that Paris is one of the most overrated cities in the world, but that's a personal thing)?

One can find ugliness and drabness, as well as beauty in any city if one looks hard enough.  Feck, there are areas on the outskirts of Prague which are like the clockwork orange.  Would you tell people not to go to Prague?

Besides, I doubt if most visitors to Scotland will be hanging around in the Gorbals waiting to get stabbed.  They'll be visiting the Highlands, the beautiful lochs and mountains, the stunning city of Edinburgh, which is easily the best looking city in the UK, and the islands like Skye.

Of course, any trip to Scotland DOES need to have an accompanying weather warning.  That goes without saying.  I spent a week on Raasay once and it rained heavily each and every day.  In August.

You can't seriously compare Paris to Glasgow.  On the whole Glasgow is a dump, Paris isn't, on the whole Glasgow is full of scum, Paris isn't.  In Glasgow there's a good chance of getting stabbed, or robbed, i don't think the same can be said for Paris.  But even the sort of people that make Glasgow what it is are not my real problem, my problem is these jingoistic, nationalistic, shortbread eating, kilt wearing, bagpipe loving, we're not english, small minded fools that seem to be on the grow in Scotland.  They are bigheaded people with much to be modest about, reminiscent of the many flag waving, we're the best country in the world Americans.
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« Reply #33 on: June 22, 2008, 04:40:18 AM »

Lol...well I don't like Paris, Comrade Joe, where I really do like Glasgow.  Because there are very, very nice friendly and funny people in Glasgow, down-to-earth, self-effacing, not arrogant, helpful, good-hearted kind people and that is what I miss when abroad...the people.

And on returning from the said cruise, having seen some really lovely places, this is really the loveliest, it strikes you anew when you come back from a trip like that.  We visited some interesting cities, but those are just big cities as you see anywhere...built up, boxy high-rise buildings and traffic...getting off the ship and coming back here it is a much better lifestyle... with beautiful scenery.

I really don't know what you find so unpleasant about it.  Seriously, why do you stay in this country if you do not like it?  I love it and don't know any people like those you describe.  Can you tell me where you meet them? 
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« Reply #34 on: June 22, 2008, 04:46:32 AM »


You can't seriously compare Paris to Glasgow.  On the whole Glasgow is a dump, Paris isn't, on the whole Glasgow is full of scum, Paris isn't.  In Glasgow there's a good chance of getting stabbed, or robbed, i don't think the same can be said for Paris.  But even the sort of people that make Glasgow what it is are not my real problem, my problem is these jingoistic, nationalistic, shortbread eating, kilt wearing, bagpipe loving, we're not english, small minded fools that seem to be on the grow in Scotland.  They are bigheaded people with much to be modest about, reminiscent of the many flag waving, we're the best country in the world Americans.

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PARIS (Reuters) - The Champs Elysees, held up by France as the most beautiful avenue in the world, has become blighted by prostitution, racketeering and violence, a top police officer said on Saturday.

The broad boulevard, which connects Napoleon's grandiose Arc de Triomphe with the regal Tuileries Gardens, was always a byword for elegance and a focal point for national celebrations.

But in recent years, the avenue has increasingly drawn low-life criminals, its famed cinemas giving way to night clubs, and its tourists frightened away by gangs of drunken youths.

"It's no longer the nice child it used to be," Guy Parent, head of Paris's anti-prostitution unit, told Le Parisien daily.

"The Champ Elysees' clientele is often unstable ... there are regularly fights between guards and clubbers. The tension is palpable," Parent added.

Le Parisien also quoted the mayor in charge of the Champs Elysees district, Francois Lebel, as saying the famous road was becoming: "A meeting place for thugs and suburb-dwellers".

Locals have complained that large groups of youths from poor neighbourhoods bordering Paris descend on the avenue in the evening, drawn to its vibrant nightlife.

They also estimated that an army of 200 to 300 prostitutes pace the pavements seeking wealthy clients.

Parent said he thought that number might be exaggerated, but confirmed the 2-km (one mile) long street attracted many foreign call girls, especially from north Africa

http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSL1072845020071110?pageNumber=1&virtualBrandChannel=0

And that is the main tourist part. You can imagine how it would be like in the poor slums with all the algerian immigrants and their rioting against anything and anyone.

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« Reply #35 on: June 23, 2008, 06:59:46 PM »

I must say I wasn't terribly impressed with Paris, but it was at the end of a two month long stint in Europe so I was ready to go home.  I'm sure it would've helped to know a Parisian to take me around the non tourist trap spots too.
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