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Lubica Drozenova
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« on: March 30, 2008, 01:07:15 PM »

Refusing to award MAP to Ukraine and Georgia,
NATO practically loses the chances of its further expansion

Lubica Drozenova

At the beginning of April in Bucharest there will take place the next summit of NATO, where three Balkan countries, namely Croatia, Macedonia and Albania, are expected to be invited to NATO. But the question regarding Ukraine’s and Georgia’s bid for NATO Membership Action Plan, or MAP, remains opened, first and foremost, because of the position of Germany, France and a number of other countries.
Attention is drawn to the fact that the key problem is the stance of Germany’s Chancellor Angela Merkel, which is based, entirely, on V. Putin’s arguments that if even the Ukrainian leaders possess the will to join NATO, it is not enough to realize this idea, with a low level of support for it, showed by Ukrainian people. Georgia has the other problems – the territorial ones. Can it really be a secret for the Chancellor of Germany who is the author and organizer of these problems for Ukraine and Georgia?
Croatia, Macedonia and Albania have, surely, a right to be the NATO member-states. Alliance has, as well, the right to accept them. But what does the NATO membership of these countries give to Alliance in the context of prospects for its further expansion as the system of collective security? To be unbiased, it gives too little. One can’t say it about Georgia and, especially, Ukraine.
Three Balkan states being accepted to Alliance, Moscow will hardly react too aggressively, as it’s obvious that the military might of these countries is so weak and their geopolitical position is of so small importance for the Russian Federation – they can be easily kept under control with gas supplies, taking, especially, into account the last agreements between Russia and Serbia.
There is thereupon something that I’d like to point out – refusing to offer MAPs to Ukraine and Georgia, NATO will practically lose the chances of its further expansion. At the same time Russia will have an opportunity to realize, in future, its long-standing goal – to become “the third Rome”. It isn’t a secret that without Ukraine Russia can become a strong and powerful state, and it will be one, especially with its resources potential. But it will remain Russia. It will never get the might and power of the Soviet Union.
The Russian leadership, to do the justice, understands it very clearly unlike the leaders of some NATO member-states, which prefer to enjoy the pleasures of the here and now and never worry about the future. By making an example of Moldova, Vladimir Putin has recently demonstrated how one can achieve his aims to be realized in this or that region. He had “guaranteed” the sovereign state of Moldova that the part of its own territory, namely Transdniestria, would be returned to it, if it abandoned the idea to join NATO. Has V.Putin asked, in this case, the opinion of average citizens of Moldova or even that Transdniestria? V.Putin usually considers only his own opinion. Or has he, after all, asked Angela Merkel & Co. for advice in this case?
Considering that the NATO leadership hadn’t practically reacted against those claims of V.Putin, it did, actually, support the Kremlin’s methods, in such a way.
What does it fraught for Ukraine with? The answer is obvious – Ukraine will face a massive economic, political, information and cultural campaign of Russia in order to discredit it and to destabilize the situation in this country, and which is appeared to be a real threat to its territorial integrity.
Therefore Ukraine is threatened with territorial problems, controversies, differences in mentality, and ethnic conflicts. If blood is needed, it’ll appear to be – Russia has gained enough experience in Transdniestria, Abkhazia, Ossetia or Chechnya, and Ukraine has Crimea, where this experience can be applied.
I doubt that Europe benefits from such scenario of further development of events in Ukraine. Ukraine may be nearly the only ex-Soviet state which has managed to ensure stability during the years of its independence, though the preconditions to destabilize the situation were too obvious. Besides, in 2004 Ukrainian people has uniquely demonstrated the aspirations to live in a free country and to be among the European states.
Can Europe need one more Orange Revolution in Ukraine to make sure of true preferences of Ukrainians? There’s no chance that two revolutions will happen one after another. A counterrevolution may only happen in such a case. But it’ll inevitably throw Ukraine back, where the Kremlin would like to see it. And does Europe agree on this?
I’d like to remind Mrs. Angela Merkel thereupon that when the Czech Republic was going to join NATO, the majority of its population was opposed to it too.
Why don’t Angela Merkel and her supporters speak about it? Why does Europe give Ukraine the green light to join neither NATO, nor the EU? Why doesn’t Europe change its policy from obstacles to assistance?
What is the key factor here – the fear of Putin or the dream about low-priced Russian gas? But there is free cheese only in a mousetrap. Well, Angela Merkel & Co. are, perhaps, satisfied that Vladimir Putin speaks easily about Russia’s readiness “to help in Afghanistan” by sending its soldiers again to give their lives in this country. Why Angela Merkel doesn’t express concerns about Russia’s readiness to shed blood of its citizens in Afghanistan to gain control over Ukraine?
The Kremlin is almost ready to do anything to halt Ukraine’s accession to NATO. Why is Ukraine so necessary for Russia? The answer is obvious – Ukraine is, geopolitically, a key state of the region, and its position will determine, to a large extent, the prospects of Russia and the further expansion of NATO as the system of collective international security. Neither in Berlin and Paris, nor even in Brussels, have they seemed to be able or capable to understand it yet. It’s hard to believe they agree with such policy of the Kremlin.
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« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2008, 12:58:01 PM »

Why does Nato needs to expand? It doesn't.
Does the EU has the economical power to fund massive aid to the Ukrainian economy to help it become conform EU member? It doesn't.

But wait another 20 years. Then, maybe...
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« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2008, 09:42:33 AM »

NATO practically loses the chances of its further expansion
Best news I've heard in a long time.

The efficiency and effectiveness of any given organization is inversely proportional to the size of the organization.

NATO is becoming dangerously non-functional already with its present bloated roster.  Adding more would probably reduce it to EU-levels of non-functionality.

I also might add that NATO moving into the Ukraine sounds like an aggressively beligerent move aimed at Russia and that isn't very productive of the peace and security interests of western peoples.
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« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2008, 03:18:32 PM »

I'm having difficulty understanding why it's NATO moving into Ukraine and not the Ukraine moving to NATO. Why does Russia have this tacit part ownership of Ukraine.

Im not arguing, Im just asking. Is nato courting Ukraine over excessively? Is it just the proximity issue? Are you talking specifically about the missile defense system?



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« Reply #4 on: April 29, 2008, 06:41:20 PM »

I'm having difficulty understanding why it's NATO moving into Ukraine and not the Ukraine moving to NATO. Why does Russia have this tacit part ownership of Ukraine.

Im not arguing, Im just asking. Is nato courting Ukraine over excessively? Is it just the proximity issue? Are you talking specifically about the missile defense system?



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I think that is a central theme of the expansion
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« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2008, 06:57:46 AM »

I'm having difficulty understanding why it's NATO moving into Ukraine and not the Ukraine moving to NATO. Why does Russia have this tacit part ownership of Ukraine.
The impetus for Ukrainian membership in NATO is coming from NATO.  Ukraine didn't come to NATO begging to join.

And yes, the Ukraine definitely falls inside the Russian 'sphere of influence' and western powers ought to pay heed to that.

To put it in other terms, how would USA interpret an attempt by the Warsaw Pact to have Mexico join them?  That's how Russia will interpret NATO sticking its nose into the Ukraine.  This is thus an 'aggressive' act by NATO, seeking to enflame nationalist passions rather than reduce them.

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Im not arguing, Im just asking. Is nato courting Ukraine over excessively? Is it just the proximity issue? Are you talking specifically about the missile defense system?
All three.  NATO is courting Ukraine (not vice versa).  It is the proximity issue - Ukraine is certainly within the Russian 'sphere of influence' and thus, any NATO movement there is directly an affront and challenge to Russia.  And lastly the missile defense system is definitely another piece of weaponry designed to destablize existing political relationships.  US seeking to put a missile defense system across Eastern Europe is an unequivical attempt to re-establish the old (and very profitable for US interests) game of cold war tensions with Russia as arch-enemy.

The missile shield issue is driven by the US need to sell/buy expensive high tech weapon systems to support their own economy (US is the only nation in the world that uses their own military as their principal domestic-industrial-subsidy policy).

That kind of domestic industrial policy is bound to cause foreign policy problems... (which just produce more demand for the same industrial policy - so the game is self-reinforcing!).

Bottom line is that NATO expanding into Ukraine has nothing to do with protecting the legitimate peaceful interests of the western nations that formed NATO in the first place.





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« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2008, 08:37:11 AM »

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To put it in other terms, how would USA interpret an attempt by the Warsaw Pact to have Mexico join them?

Or sent missiles to Cuba? I see your point. Im not being cynical I really just haven't been paying attention to the issue.



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