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« Reply #45 on: April 20, 2008, 03:12:14 PM »

Is the Colorado Industrial Construction Services Co. part of the Bush plan? How about the Iraqi Oil Ministry, the Russians, Iranians and Chinese? Are they involved in taking over Iraq's oil industry to bolster the US petro-dollar along with the Colorado Industrial Construction Services Co.?

None of what's linked below would be happening if the Bush Administration dictated Iraqi oil policies.


BAGHDAD: Iraq's Oil Ministry has signed a contract with the Colorado Industrial Construction Services Co. to help expand a refinery in Najaf, south of Baghdad, an official said Wednesday.
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/03/19/business/ME-FIN-Iraq-Oil-Refinery.php

   
International oil majors would be willing to settle for service contracts in known oil fields in Iraq, the chairman of the advisory committee to Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki said Thursday. Speaking in an interview with Arab Oil and Gas Magazine, Thamir Abbas Ghadhban, who is a former oil minister, said he was certain international oil companies would accept service contracts…for already discovered oil fields ” in view of their geological characteristics, their very great potential, their low production costs and the current and future level of oil prices.” While production-sharing contracts, or PSCs, wouldn’t be considered an option by anyone “of sane mind,” for these oil fields, the government would have to decide if they were appropriate in areas under explorations — including the Western Desert region, Ghadhban said.
http://royaldutchshellplc.com/2008/03/14/rigzonecom-iraq-pm-advisor-majors-will-accept-service-contracts/


(MENAFN) The Iraqi Oil Ministry plans to carry out a revision for contracts signed with a Russian oil company during the rule of the defunct regime, Al-Sabah paper reported. According to the contract, the Lukoil Oil Company was scheduled to invest in several oil wells in the southern region of Iraq, an official source from the Oil Ministry said. The Iraqi Oil Ministry announced, a few days ago, it will revise a contract signed with a Chinese company to develop an oil well in Wasit province. Moreover the oil ministry set a plan to construct two pipelines, one for exporting crude oil from Basra to Iran and the other for importing oil derivatives from the Iranian Abadan refinery. Iran promised to perform a large part of the project in coordination with the Iraqi Oil Ministry and to buy Iraqi crude according to world prices, while Iraq will buy oil derivatives from Iran in accordance with world prices.
http://www.menafn.com/qn_news_story_s.asp?storyid=1093127688

Four Chinese oil companies were among 35 companies that qualified to participate in Iraq's coming licensing round for oil and gas contracts, the Iraqi Oil Ministry said on Tuesday.
http://www.iraqupdates.com/p_articles.php/article/29945


Again, it is a fake argument, so all of the above is irrelevant. They wanted the oil but they so badly underestimated the problems and were so incompetent that it was no longer worth getting. That does not mean they never wanted it in the first place. That was then, this is now. Anything you say is happening now is meaningless. THEN, they said openly they were going to use to oil to pay for the war and reconstruction. No doubt to line their pockets, too. It didn't work out. So? You have no point.
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« Reply #46 on: April 21, 2008, 05:12:23 AM »

It isn't a war for oil.

It is a war to put more taxpayer dollars in the right pockets.

As usual. Oil just decided the location.


Look at the cost. Afghanistan is certainly more involved in terror than Iraq - yet the bulk of the money is pouring into Iraq. 5 times as much as Afghanistan. Curious.
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« Reply #47 on: April 22, 2008, 12:34:18 AM »

Making money for certain "groups" is just a bonus, the two main goals are Bush Jr. wanting to finish his father's work and the need for a secure supply of oil.

Has anyone here looked at the numbers for future oil demand and current production levels?

The following is a remarkable statement from the March 2005 newsletter of the Association for the Study of Peak Oil and Gas (ASPO). In it, the DOE states that that "Initiating crash program mitigation 20 years before peaking offers the possibility of avoiding a world liquid fuels shortfall for the forecast period", whereas initiating a program only 10 years before "would still result in a worldwide liquid fuels shortfall", and waiting to start the program until oil actually peaks would "leave the world with a significant liquid fuel deficit for two decades or longer"

It further states that "Without timely mitigation, world supply/demand balance will be achieved through massive demand destruction (shortages), accompanied by huge oil price increases, both of which would create a long period of significant economic hardship worldwide."

Other comments include:

"In the developed nations, the economic problems associated with world oil peaking and the resultant oil shortages will be extremely serious. In the developing nations, economic problems will be much worse"

" Government intervention will be essential, because the economic and social impacts of oil peaking will otherwise be chaotic"

"World oil peaking represents a problem like none other. The political, economic, and social stakes are enormous. Prudent risk management demands urgent attention and early action."

http://www.drydipstick.com/doemarch05.html

Financial Times: Fears emerge over Russia’s oil output

Leonid Fedun, the 52-year-old vice-president of Lukoil, Russia’s largest independent oil company, told the Financial Times he believed last year’s Russian oil production of about 10m barrels a day was the highest he would see “in his lifetime”. Russia is the world’s second biggest oil producer.

Mr Fedun compared Russia with the North Sea and Mexico, where oil production is declining dramatically, saying that in the oil-rich region of western Siberia, the mainstay of Russian output, “the period of intense oil production [growth] is over”.

http://royaldutchshellplc.com/2008/04/15/fears-emerge-over-russia%E2%80%99s-oil-output/

Kuwait and IEA Show Declining Oil Production Future
10 Jul 2007

AMSTERDAM (ResourceInvestor.com) -- Crude oil prices could reach levels of US$100 per barrel or more if some of the latest production factors in the news become reality.

Not only has the Paris-based International Energy Agency (IEA), the energy watchdog of the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) countries, warned in its latest medium-term oil market report that a market crunch is looming over around 2012, but some OPEC producers are breaking even more negative news. After a short analysis hype in the beginning of 2006, analysts have been forgetting to cover OPEC countries currently battling reserve issues.

http://www.resourceinvestor.com/pebble.asp?relid=33717

Mexico's oil production falls 6.4 percent in first two months of year
The Associated Press
Published: March 24, 2008

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/03/24/business/LA-FIN-Mexico-Oil-Production.php

Oil shortage threatens military
By Marianne Lavelle
Posted 3/15/06

A grim view of the nation's energy future, and its implications for the military, emerges in a just released report by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers.

"The days of inexpensive, convenient, abundant energy sources are quickly drawing to a close," says the report, titled "Energy Trends and Their Implications for U.S. Army Installations." It concludes that at the current rate of consumption and production decline, the lifetime of proven domestic oil reserves is only 3.4 years. It projects the lifetime of proven worldwide oil reserves at 41 years, but with declining availability, noting that Saudi Arabia – home to the bulk of those reserves – has not increased production in three years.

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/articles/060315/15natsec.htm

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I know it is difficult to know who to believe when it comes to the future of oil production and reserves. If all the "proven" reserves were already tapped and producing, all we would need is some more refineries and that would buy us some much needed time, but this is not the case.

Right now production is slowly starting to decline in most of the world's largest oil fields. With the increase in demand from developing nations like India and China, it is obvious we are headed for an energy crunch. It might be possible to increase production in some countries like Saudi Arabia, but in my opinion, they have over stated their reserves.

It is common sense that if the US is going to continue to rely on oil for transportation, that we need to secure a large supply of oil under our own protection. It is vital to national security. While I do not agree with the methods, I understand the need.

Common sense.



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« Reply #48 on: April 22, 2008, 11:12:54 AM »

Here is another good piece from 2005...........

As of last year, 18 major oil producing countries were in decline, at 1.1 million barrels a day per year. By 2009 this group of countries will be joined by six more – accelerating the rate of global decline to 1.6 million barrels per day, per year.

The issue now in dispute is the year in which world production will peak before going into permanent decline. This will happen when production volumes from growing and declining countries balance each other, something that can, in advance, only be estimated, and known with certainty only in hindsight.

After 2008, the world will have to adapt to lower growth rates. In this phase, high oil prices will trigger “demand destruction”. If all oilfield projects come on-stream in time, the peak of production can be expected around 2010, otherwise earlier. Even if a new, giant, field were discovered today, it would most likely be offshore and development would take at least five or more years. In other words, for the next five years, oil production is almost pre-programmed.

For the period after 2010 and into 2012, uncertainty grows, but if current trends continue, in 2015, production will be back to 2004 levels.

This reality is in stark contrast to the complacent outlook of politicians and the public who, upon being told that oil will “last” for 40 years imagine the situation is analogous to a car’s petrol tank – we’ll keep driving for four decades and then it’ll suddenly run out. Actually, it will be as though the supply of petrol to your car’s engine was slowly strangled. In 40 years time, petroleum will be a rare and precious commodity, carefully husbanded for applications for which it is irreplaceable.

In the smoothly-functioning theoretical market beloved of economists this decline would act as if it were new demand, sending prices steadily upwards, but real life will surely be messier. As consciousness of peak oil sinks in, turmoil in the Middle East may limit supplies and international competition and market panic will inevitably boost prices further.


http://www.brushtail.com.au/july_05_on/take_the_train.html
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« Reply #49 on: April 23, 2008, 10:44:34 AM »

So, I am glad I could educate those people who were still doubting this war is about oil.

They day the war in Iraq began I predicted we would be there for decades.
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I also predicted we would not catch Osama.

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« Reply #50 on: May 03, 2008, 03:57:10 AM »

They wanted the oil but they so badly underestimated the problems and were so incompetent that it was no longer worth getting.

Then why not just secure the oil rich areas of Iraq and ignore the rest of the country?

What people like you are willing to believe in order to maintain the myth never ceases to amaze me.
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« Reply #51 on: May 03, 2008, 04:02:32 AM »

Pond Scum, when you answer the questions posed to you I'll destroy this argument you are making with plain and simple facts.

Until then, wallow in your own made up myths and ignorance!
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« Reply #52 on: May 03, 2008, 09:52:52 AM »

They wanted the oil but they so badly underestimated the problems and were so incompetent that it was no longer worth getting.

Then why not just secure the oil rich areas of Iraq and ignore the rest of the country?

What people like you are willing to believe in order to maintain the myth never ceases to amaze me.

Your question is the type a 5th grader would ask.

International politics doesn't work like that, never has, never will.

You simply can't convince the American people the war is about spreading democracy, removing Saddam, or WMDs, if you only go after the oil parts of the country.

Duh.

That has to one of the dumbest questions I have ever been asked.

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« Reply #53 on: May 03, 2008, 12:51:03 PM »

They wanted the oil but they so badly underestimated the problems and were so incompetent that it was no longer worth getting.

Then why not just secure the oil rich areas of Iraq and ignore the rest of the country?

What people like you are willing to believe in order to maintain the myth never ceases to amaze me.

Funny you should ask. Do you remember the looting and rioting that took place in Baghdad on the day of the "liberation?"

"In Iraq itself, art experts and ordinary demonstrators made clear they were far angrier at President George Bush than they were at the looters, noting that the only building US forces seemed genuinely interested in protecting was the Ministry of Oil."

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0414-07.htm

The source is a reprinted article from the UK Independent. Don't like them? How about USA TODAY?

"U.S. troops occupied the Oil Ministry. But the nine-story Ministry of Transport building and the Iraqi Olympic headquarters were gutted by fire and the Ministry of Education was partially burned. Near the Interior Ministry, the office building of Saddam's son Odai stood damaged, its upper floors blackened."

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2003-04-10-iraq-suicidebombing_x.htm

They expected to be welcomed as liberators, but just in case they protected the oil ministry.

LOL! What YOU people will believe.
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« Reply #54 on: May 04, 2008, 04:32:49 AM »

Your question is the type a 5th grader would ask.

I'm trying to keep this simple for you.

You simply can't convince the American people the war is about spreading democracy, removing Saddam, or WMDs, if you only go after the oil parts of the country.

You have this completely backwards and obviously know very little about Iraq.

If the war was all about oil US troops would be in the parts of Iraq with oil deposits. They aren't.

US oil companies would be developing Iraq's oil fields. They aren't.

Iraq's oil production would have skyrocketed shortly after the liberation. It didn't.

Once again I'll keep it very simple for you....

We could have secured Iraqi oil fields and started pumping oil into US and British tankers and ignored the rest of the country.

We didn't do that and never intended to and yet for some reason this convinces you that the war was all about oil.

Even a 1st grader can understand how ridiculous your opinions are. Why don't you?
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« Reply #55 on: May 04, 2008, 04:57:33 AM »

Funny you should ask. Do you remember the looting and rioting that took place in Baghdad on the day of the "liberation?"

Of course I do. So what! That there are thieves in Baghdad was not news to anyone. Except to liberals.

They expected to be welcomed as liberators, but just in case they protected the oil ministry.
LOL! What YOU people will believe.

US troops were welcomed as liberators. We just never heard about it.

I wasn't aware the Iraq Oil Ministry building contained a huge oil deposit.

It did contain a treasure trove of information concerning Saddam's Oil For Food scams and details of Iraq's ongoing WMD programs.

Perhaps, just perhaps, this was the reason we "protected" the Oil Ministry building.
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« Reply #56 on: May 04, 2008, 08:05:31 AM »

Your question is the type a 5th grader would ask.

I'm trying to keep this simple for you.

You simply can't convince the American people the war is about spreading democracy, removing Saddam, or WMDs, if you only go after the oil parts of the country.

You have this completely backwards and obviously know very little about Iraq.

If the war was all about oil US troops would be in the parts of Iraq with oil deposits. They aren't.

US oil companies would be developing Iraq's oil fields. They aren't.

Iraq's oil production would have skyrocketed shortly after the liberation. It didn't.

Once again I'll keep it very simple for you....

We could have secured Iraqi oil fields and started pumping oil into US and British tankers and ignored the rest of the country.

We didn't do that and never intended to and yet for some reason this convinces you that the war was all about oil.

Even a 1st grader can understand how ridiculous your opinions are. Why don't you?

You are one of the most partisan, insincere, morons on the entire planet.

Iraq was not about STEALING OIL.

It was not about getting oil for today, or tomorrow.

It is about securing a future source of oil which can be protected.

I have stated this several times, but because you are a flipping moron, you are unable to understand it and continue to make irrational, illogical arguments that accomplish nothing and waste everyone's time.

Please stop acting like a child.
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« Reply #57 on: May 04, 2008, 04:12:34 PM »

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It is about securing a future source of oil which can be protected.

Good. A secure source of oil is in our national interests.
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« Reply #58 on: May 04, 2008, 07:41:30 PM »

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It is about securing a future source of oil which can be protected.

Good. A secure source of oil is in our national interests.

It shouldn't be.
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« Reply #59 on: May 04, 2008, 10:03:41 PM »

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It is about securing a future source of oil which can be protected.

Good. A secure source of oil is in our national interests.

in the short run, I completely agree
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