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So much for the "Saddam wasn't tied to terroism" screech from liberals. This report destroys the last argument against the preemptive war in Iraq. But don't expect them to agnkowledge it. Our media has so far completely ignored it. Will they be sending any apologies to Bush for five long years of lies? Don't hold your breath. These are just some highlights. Details in the link or download the full report: "Iraqi Perspectives Project: Saddam and Terrorism: Emerging Insights from Captured Iraqi Documents."http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/014/889pvpxc.asp?pg=2Saddam's Dangerous Friends What a Pentagon review of 600,000 Iraqi documents tells us.Throughout the early and mid-1990s, Saddam Hussein actively supported an influential terrorist group headed by the man who is now al Qaeda's second-in-command, according to an exhaustive study issued last week by the Pentagon. "Saddam supported groups that either associated directly with al Qaeda (such as the Egyptian Islamic Jihad, led at one time by bin Laden's deputy, Ayman al-Zawahiri) or that generally shared al Qaeda's stated goals and objectives."
"Captured documents reveal that the regime was willing to co-opt or support organizations it knew to be part of al Qaeda--as long as that organization's near-term goals supported Saddam's long-term vision."
In 1993, as Osama bin Laden's fighters battled Americans in Somalia, Saddam Hussein personally ordered the formation of an Iraqi terrorist group to join the battle there.
For more than two decades, the Iraqi regime trained non-Iraqi jihadists in training camps throughout Iraq.
According to a 1993 internal Iraqi intelligence memo, the regime was supporting a secret Islamic Palestinian organization dedicated to "armed jihad against the Americans and Western interests."
In the 1990s, Iraq's military intelligence directorate trained and equipped "Sudanese fighters."
In 1998, the Iraqi regime offered "financial and moral support" to a new group of jihadists in Kurdish-controlled northern Iraq.
In 2002, the year before the war began, the Iraqi regime hosted in Iraq a series of 13 conferences for non-Iraqi jihadist groups.
That same year, a branch of the Iraqi Intelligence Service (IIS) issued hundreds of Iraqi passports for known terrorists.
Between the year 2000 and 2002 explosive materials were transported to embassies outside Iraq for special work, upon the approval of the Director of the Iraqi Intelligence Service. The responsibility for these materials is in the hands of heads of stations. Some of these materials were transported in the political mail carriers [Diplomatic Pouch]. Some of these materials were transported by car in booby-trapped briefcases.
Another captured Iraqi document from early 1993 "reports on contact with a large number of terrorist groups in the region, including those that maintained an office or liaison in Iraq."
More recently, captured "annual reports" of the IIS reveal support for terrorist organizations in the months leading up the U.S. invasion in March 2003. According to the Pentagon study, "the IIS hosted thirteen conferences in 2002 for a number of Palestinian and other organizations, including delegations from the Islamic Jihad Movement and the Director General for the Popular Movement for the Liberation of al-Ahwaz."
Again, at precisely the same time Zawahiri was "joining with bin Laden," the spring of 1993, he was being funded by Saddam Hussein's Iraq. As Zawahiri's jihadists trained in al Qaeda camps in Sudan, his representative to Iraq was planning "commando operations" against the Egyptian government with the IIS.
A separate memo reveals that the Army of Muhammad has requested assistance from Iraq. The study authors summarize the response by writing, "the local IIS station has been told to deal with them in accordance with priorities previously established. The IIS agent goes on to inform the Director that 'this organization is an offshoot of bin Laden, but that their objectives are similar but with different names that can be a way of camouflaging the organization.
In another instance, the new Pentagon study makes reference to captured documents detailing the Iraqi relationship with Abu Sayyaf, the al Qaeda affiliate in the Philippines founded by Osama bin Laden's brother-in-law.
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« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2008, 01:53:10 PM » |
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Ron, Without taking sides, let me get this straight. You are using on a report that was written by a dept. under the President to verify alleged lies made by their boss, and you don't see any conflict of interest there?
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« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2008, 02:24:10 PM » |
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I don't really think of the nationreview as a unbiased source either....can you cross reference this with any other sources?
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« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2008, 04:01:44 PM » |
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And to the best of my knowledge any screeching was that he wasn't behind 9/11 like it was sold.
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« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2008, 04:43:32 PM » |
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Ron, Without taking sides, let me get this straight. You are using on a report that was written by a dept. under the President to verify alleged lies made by their boss, and you don't see any conflict of interest there?
Excuse me, but these conclusions are based upon captured Iraqi documents. Why don't you read the report and decide for yourself. Afraid of what you will find?
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« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2008, 04:57:22 PM » |
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And to the best of my knowledge any screeching was that he wasn't behind 9/11 like it was sold.
No one in the Bush Administration ever said Saddam was behind 9/11. Why don't you read the report yourself. It's available to anyone who can type.
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« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2008, 05:11:00 PM » |
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I don't really think of the nationreview as a unbiased source either....can you cross reference this with any other sources?
I responded to your post with a link to the report from the Council on Foreign Relations and it was flagged for spam. I have no idea why. The report is easily found on the internet. Download it and read it for yourself.
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« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2008, 05:44:46 PM » |
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Excuse me, but these conclusions are based upon captured Iraqi documents. Goodness, no! Well then, I'm convinced. They would of had to of had a typewritter and a copy machine to to pull off a deception of that magnatude. Your a funny guy, Ron. The fact that our media has ignored this report is all the proof needed to confirm it's veracity. They refuse to report it. Yup Ron, there you have it....Proof positive again! And, you've just made the same claim as every "Conspiracy Theorist" you've ever stamped your foot at. Be carefull, or soon it might start to feel like your hands are steel and the Reynolds Wrap is a magnet. And once you put on that hat your life size Condolliza Rice poster hanging on the ceiling of your bedroom wont be smiling any more.
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« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2008, 06:07:59 PM » |
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Goodness, no! Well then, I'm convinced. They would of had to of had a typewritter and a copy machine to to pull off a deception of that magnatude.
Are you suggesting our Government made up the 600,000 pages of documents? What a hoot!! Even with the facts staring you right in the face you still believe the lies. Truly pathetic. Yup Ron, there you have it....Proof positive again! And, you've just made the same claim as every "Conspiracy Theorist" you've ever stamped your foot at.
No conspiracy needed. You can read the report yourself. We both know why you won't. liberals simply refuse to admit they have been fooled for five long years.
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« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2008, 06:57:01 PM » |
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Are you suggesting our Government made up the 600,000 pages of documents? What a hoot!!
Even with the facts staring you right in the face you still believe the lies. Truly pathetic. All I have staring me in the face Ron, is your cronic underestimation of what our Government is capable of. Is it because you wont be able to "deal" with the ramifications of the truth? What? I say this because I've noted from past posts that you believe that our Government craps roses....Well Ron, let me be the last to tell you....you are sorely mistaken and tragically mis-informed ......on a multitude of issues.
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« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2008, 07:01:34 PM » |
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Even accepting Saddam's indirect support of terrorist activities, does this justify America's invasion and occupation of Iraq? Saddam's guilt does not change the fact that this was a reckless war that aggravated the world community and motivated future terrorists.
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« Reply #11 on: April 13, 2008, 07:09:17 PM » |
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Even accepting Saddam's indirect support of terrorist activities, does this justify America's invasion and occupation of Iraq? Saddam's guilt does not change the fact that this was a reckless war that aggravated the world community and motivated future terrorists. The people we pay to make those judgments said yes. Could they have been wrong? Absolutely.
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« Reply #12 on: April 13, 2008, 07:39:01 PM » |
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I don't think anyone's gonna be surprised that Hussein funded terrorist orginizations... but you'd be convieniently ignorant to roll over the fact that we've done it in the past and continue to do it now...
The report cautions it's readers to understand that Suddam Hussein and Al Quida never actually ventured on anything together:
"Because Saddam's security organizations and Osama bin Laden's terrorist network operated with similar aims (at least in the short term), considerable overlap was inevitable when monitoring, contacting, financing, and training the same outside groups. This created both the appearance of and, in some way, a 'de facto' link between the organizations. At times, these organizations would work together in pursuit of shared goals but still maintain their autonomy and independence because of innate caution and mutual distrust."
The same could be said about Saudi Arabian and Pakistani terrorist orginizations. No doubt all these groups shared very similar goals... yet detail is only paid to the similarities between Hussein and Al Quida? How convienient. I guess the similar goals between Musharraf (a US "ally") and whatever group succeeded in killing Bhutto are not good enough to make a stink about?
Either way, as the article goes on it becomes more concerned with the relationship of different terrorist orginizations and has very little on Iraq's direct dealing with Al Quida, which as the report already states, were virtually independent of each other.
Also, what I find strange about this whole thing is that if the Bush Administration was right this whole time... why aren't they shouting it from the roof tops? I refuse to believe that Bush would let his entire legacy (Iraq, basically) pass by because of laziness.
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« Reply #13 on: April 14, 2008, 05:52:44 PM » |
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No one in the Bush Administration ever said Saddam was behind 9/11.
That is a lie Ron Mars. Ron Mars you are a liar. Dick Cheney; "We did have reporting that was public, that came out shortly after the 9/11 attack, provided by the Czech government, suggesting there had been a meeting in Prague between Mohammed Atta, the lead hijacker, and a man named al-Ani (Ahmed Khalil Ibrahim Samir al-Ani), who was an Iraqi intelligence official in Prague, at the embassy there, in April of '01, prior to the 9/11 attacks. It has never been -- we've never been able to collect any more information on that. That was the one that possibly tied the two together to 9/11." "[Since September 11] We learned more and more that there was a relationship between Iraq and al-Qaeda that stretched back through most of the decade of the '90s, that it involved training, for example, on BW and CW, that al-Qaeda sent personnel to Baghdad to get trained on the systems that are involved. The Iraqis providing bomb-making expertise and advice to the al-Qaeda organization." Rumsfeld; "We said from the outset that there are several terrorist networks that have global reach and that there were several countries that were harboring terrorists that have global reach. We weren't going into Iraq when we were hit on September 11. And the question is: Well, what do you do about that? If you know there are terrorists and you know there's terrorist states -- Iraq's been a terrorist state for decades -- and you know there are countries harboring terrorists, we believe, correctly, I think, that the only way to deal with it is -- you can't just hunker down and hope they won't hit you again. You simply have to take the battle to them. And we have been consistently working on the Al Qaeda network. We've captured a large number of those folks -- captured or killed -- just as we've now captured or killed a large number of the top 55 Saddam Hussein loyalists." Source: Meet the Press, NBC (11/2/2003).
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