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« Reply #75 on: May 05, 2008, 04:26:20 AM » |
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Everyone has accepted this fact , with the exception of you Ron Mars. Pelosi pulled impeachment off the table very early on, much to the chagrin of the hard left. I can only think of one explanation for that. She KNOWS she cannot make the case that 'Bush lied' and prove it with cold hard fact. Instead, she get the next best thing...float out the IDEA that Bush lied, either directly or through surrogates, and ship wreck his Presidency. On that, she has been extremely successful. |
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« Reply #76 on: May 05, 2008, 05:19:58 AM » |
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I don't need Nancy Pelosi to "float " the idea that the sun came up yesterday morning. And I don't need her to tell me that Bush and Cheney lied to start a war for corperate profit. All I need to do is to pay attention. The fact that most of America knows that they lied has little or nothing to do with Pelosi, and every thing to do with what they said and did.
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« Reply #77 on: May 05, 2008, 05:27:16 AM » |
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I don't need Nancy Pelosi to "float " the idea that the sun came up yesterday morning. And I don't need her to tell me that Bush and Cheney lied to start a war for corperate profit. All I need to do is to pay attention. The fact that most of America knows that they lied has little or nothing to do with Pelosi, and every thing to do with what they said and did. If Pelosi knows Bush lied to the American people and stood by and did nothing about it, that would be a dereliction of duty of which SHE should be impeached. |
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« Reply #78 on: May 05, 2008, 05:35:48 AM » |
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If Pelosi knows Bush lied to the American people and stood by and did nothing about it, that would be a dereliction of duty of which SHE should be impeached.
I don't disagree with that assessment Mr New Rule. It is her duty as house speaker and she fell down on the job. |
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« Reply #79 on: May 05, 2008, 05:50:13 AM » |
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And Harry Reid too. Really, all of Congress.
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« Reply #80 on: May 05, 2008, 06:19:59 AM » |
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It is the house's job to pass the articles of impeachment, the senate can't hold a trial without that. The first step sits squarely with the house leadership. Your first assessment was more correct Neue.
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« Reply #81 on: May 05, 2008, 06:52:49 AM » |
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Ya know, you all really need to wake up and smell the coffee.
Most of you are blinded by partisanship.
...by partisanship, not bi-partisanship.
Yes, Bush lied, but so did almost every other politician who commented on Saddam during this period.
For all we know, there might have actually been WMDs in Iraq, they might have actually found them but been unable to tell us, since if they existed, the components would have likely been able to be traced back to the US and the UK.
COME ON PEOPLE, SAY IT WITH ME................
BOTH PARTIES HAVE SOLD OUT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
You will feel better if you say it.
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« Reply #82 on: May 05, 2008, 07:03:04 AM » |
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there might have actually been WMDs in Iraq, they might have actually found them but been unable to tell us And it could be that we know the weapons were moved to Syria. If we ever came out and said that, relations would be strained, to say the least. |
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« Reply #83 on: May 05, 2008, 07:14:45 AM » |
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there might have actually been WMDs in Iraq, they might have actually found them but been unable to tell us And it could be that we know the weapons were moved to Syria. If we ever came out and said that, relations would be strained, to say the least. That is possible, some people actually believe this to be the case. I do not know myself and I simply can no longer trust the government to tell me the truth, so anyone's guess is as good as mine. Since Syria does not seem to be a part of our near term plans, we appear to not care if they have WMDs, or not. If they do, they will be dealt with eventually. First we must get all of our ducks in a row before any action can be taken against Syria. |
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« Reply #84 on: May 05, 2008, 07:45:13 AM » |
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Agreed.
The gentleman who works on our computers here at work is from Iran but he's lived here since the early 70s. He came here for education and was going to go back. Then our relations with them really went south so he decided to stay here. I talked with him for about two hours the other day. It was totally fascinating.
He talked about how the people of Iran have absolutely no beef with us. I asked him if his family was nervous about the relations with the US. He said they were. We also talked about how Iran is helping the insurgents in Iraq.
I came away hoping we can settle things with Iran because war won't help the people there. It is a shame, too. Iran used to be a rich country where many people prospered.
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« Reply #85 on: May 05, 2008, 10:34:05 AM » |
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there might have actually been WMDs in Iraq, they might have actually found them but been unable to tell us And it could be that we know the weapons were moved to Syria. If we ever came out and said that, relations would be strained, to say the least. Our relations? With Syria? The same Syria we let Israel blow through to wipe out targets of potential danger? Also, Neue, if you talk to that tech guy again, can you ask him if the people are doing anything to change things? And how successful they have been? As an American, I'm sometimes shocked by the total lack of control populations have over their own governments and I'm curious as to what they think they can do to influence their country's leadership. |
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« Reply #86 on: May 05, 2008, 11:28:18 AM » |
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Also, Neue, if you talk to that tech guy again, can you ask him if the people are doing anything to change things? And how successful they have been?
As an American, I'm sometimes shocked by the total lack of control populations have over their own governments and I'm curious as to what they think they can do to influence their country's leadership. I absolutely will talk with him about that. He's an awesome guy. He came to this country and couldn't speak a word of english. Within 4 months, he was qualified to get into college. He aced math but had a little trouble in english. He finished school in 3 years and went on to get his masters degree. He's an awesome guy and put a face on the 'evil' country of Iran. He said the people hate their government but feel held hostage. |
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« Reply #87 on: May 06, 2008, 05:46:28 AM » |
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The same Syria we let Israel blow through to wipe out targets of potential danger?
Is your assertion that Israel runs, what it independently deems vital to it's national security intrests, by us first for approval? |
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« Reply #88 on: May 06, 2008, 06:59:59 AM » |
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I'm saying even if they do, the US has very little intrest in stopping Israel from indiscriminitely bombing targets that may threaten "national security". All the while Israel is repeatedly forgetting the basic human rights of people in Gaza...
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« Reply #89 on: May 06, 2008, 10:23:19 AM » |
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We'll take this slowly and one item at a time....
Will one of you in here calling me a liar or just plain stupid please explain why Democrats and thousands of people in foreign governments all over the world believed the same things that Bush did about Saddam's WMD programs?
Only one of you have even attempted to answer this question. And what was the answer? An indefensible accusation that Bush witheld vital intelligence from Democrat members of the House and Senate. No attempt was even made to explain foreign intelligence services beliefs.
How about it? Why are virtually every one of you ignoring this? It's a pretty simple question with an obvious answer.
Ignoring the American Democrats for a moment, please make an intelligent argument why thousands of people all over the world would believe Saddam was in possesion of WMD? What did they read and investigate that convinced them Saddam was lying again?
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