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jpn of Seattle
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« on: September 22, 2007, 02:31:51 PM »

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A soldier in Iraq whose superior prevented him from holding a meeting for atheists and other non-Christians is suing the Defense Department, claiming it violated his right to religious freedom.
The lawsuit, filed in U.S. District Court in Kansas City, Kan., alleges a pattern of practices that discriminate against non-Christians in the military…. According to the filing, Spec. Jeremy Hall, a soldier assigned to Fort Riley’s 97th Military Police Battalion, received permission to distribute fliers around his base in Iraq for a meeting of atheists and other non-Christians.
When he tried to convene the meeting, Hall claims, [Maj. Paul Welborne] stepped in, threatening to file military charges against Hall and block his reenlistment.
http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/news.aspx?id=19076
It gets worse. Apparently, after Hall met with fellow non-believers on the base, Major Welborne allegedly disrupted the gathering, blasted the attendees, and threatened to bring an action against Hall under the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

Just imagine the hew and cry if this Major had done something similar to a group of soldiers holding some kind of prayer meeting.  Roll Eyes

Meanwhile, in an expression of how important religious freedom is to our Republican presidential candidates (I'm being sarcastic),

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[H]e’s going to move “In God We Trust” to the front of the new dollar coins instead of the side. […]
[Romney added,] “I’ll make sure that our future is defined not by the letters ACLU, but by the letters USA.”
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NzA0OTUxZTc2YTk3MmQwY2VlMmNhZjY2ZGMzMTI2Nzc=

This has to be one of the worst examples of political pandering to an already way over-pandered-to constituency I've ever seen.
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« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2007, 11:13:18 PM »

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A soldier in Iraq whose superior prevented him from holding a meeting for atheists and other non-Christians is suing the Defense Department, claiming it violated his right to religious freedom.
The lawsuit, filed in U.S. District Court in Kansas City, Kan., alleges a pattern of practices that discriminate against non-Christians in the military…. According to the filing, Spec. Jeremy Hall, a soldier assigned to Fort Riley’s 97th Military Police Battalion, received permission to distribute fliers around his base in Iraq for a meeting of atheists and other non-Christians.
When he tried to convene the meeting, Hall claims, [Maj. Paul Welborne] stepped in, threatening to file military charges against Hall and block his reenlistment.
http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/news.aspx?id=19076
It gets worse. Apparently, after Hall met with fellow non-believers on the base, Major Welborne allegedly disrupted the gathering, blasted the attendees, and threatened to bring an action against Hall under the Uniform Code of Military Justice.
If it's true, he should definitely get sued.

Just imagine the hew and cry if this Major had done something similar to a group of soldiers holding some kind of prayer meeting.  Roll Eyes
I wouldn't blame anybody given the pattern over the last twetny years Wink


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This has to be one of the worst examples of political pandering to an already way over-pandered-to constituency I've ever seen.
Get used to it JP, even your beloved democrats are up to their eyeballs in it. It won't stop even when Hillary wins the White House.
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« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2007, 01:22:18 AM »

 I guess Maj. Paul Welborne is one of those "brave soldiers fighting to preserve our freedoms" I keep hearing about. Roll Eyes
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« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2007, 07:24:28 AM »

There ain't no atheists in fox holes...
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« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2007, 10:37:58 AM »

Remember Pat Tillman? Remeber how "respected" his religion was? How respected his parents and brothers were at the hearings?

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« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2007, 10:59:50 AM »

There ain't no atheists in fox holes...
Great old cliche, but not true. Not everyone resorts to supernatural beliefs because of fear a of death.This is a popular notion for believers and gives affirmation to the concept that religious dogma is promted by a cowardace at the threat of infinite nonexistence.
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« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2007, 11:57:32 AM »

There ain't no atheists in fox holes...

The article above demonstrates the lie of that old canard.
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« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2007, 01:35:43 PM »

Killing is of the lowest regards no matter what ideology you tote.

However, the idea of honor, glory and protection of the sanctity of American interest is always a great excuse. 

Smite me for such a glib remark but seriously, here is what they are fighting for...

"America is not at war with Iraq.  The marines are at war.  America is at the mall..."

 - Adbusters, issue #74
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« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2007, 01:48:13 PM »

Killing is of the lowest regards no matter what ideology you tote.

However, the idea of honor, glory and protection of the sanctity of American interest is always a great excuse. 

Smite me for such a glib remark but seriously, here is what they are fighting for...

"America is not at war with Iraq.  The marines are at war.  America is at the mall..."

 - Adbusters, issue #74

I would say that is true with warfare since after Vietnam. The truth is Military members have been fighting and dying since then and people barely remember that we have people in places like that unless it makes it to the news.
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« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2007, 09:18:10 PM »

In a related development:

WASHINGTON -- Sen. David Vitter, R-La., earmarked $100,000 in a spending bill for a Louisiana Christian group that has challenged the teaching of Darwinian evolution in the public school system and to which he has political ties.

The money is included in the labor, health and education financing bill for fiscal 2008 and specifies payment to the Louisiana Family Forum "to develop a plan to promote better science education."

The nonprofit Louisiana Family Forum, launched in Baton Rouge in 1999 by former state Rep. Tony Perkins, has in recent years taken the lead in promoting "origins science," which includes the possibility of divine intervention in the creation of the universe.
Another member said: "Evolution is not a harmless theory but a dangerous religious belief" that underpinned the atrocities committed by Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin and Pol Pot of the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia.  Shocked
http://blog.nola.com/times-picayune/2007/09/vitter_earmarked_federal_money.html

This, on a day in which our president criticized Congress for wasteful spending...!  Cheesy
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