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« Reply #45 on: April 29, 2008, 09:33:55 PM » |
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Because the official mouthpiece of the government says so. My you're credulous! I think you should examine your knowledge of history.You should shut up your mouth before you make sure what you say is right. How many times I have told the truth but you do not believe me and I also invite you who would like to find out a real Tibet of China and examine whether what I say is true or not. Truth is truth and never becomes falsehood meanwhile Falsehood is faslehood and never becomes truth. I don't want to say anything again.To trust it or not to trust it is your things and it's not my business.I just hope that everyone can hold the belief of justice and peace when they comment on anythings. Best wishes to everyone who loves peace and truth. |
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« Reply #46 on: April 29, 2008, 10:13:21 PM » |
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I think you should examine your knowledge of history.You should shut up your mouth before you make sure what you say is right.
How many times I have told the truth but you do not believe me and I also invite you who would like to find out a real Tibet of China and examine whether what I say is true or not.
Truth is truth and never becomes falsehood meanwhile Falsehood is faslehood and never becomes truth.
I don't want to say anything again.To trust it or not to trust it is your things and it's not my business.I just hope that everyone can hold the believes of justice and peace when they comment on anythings.
Best wishes to all of you who love peace and truth.
I studied history in college(minored in it) and I know when I'm getting a snow job. Tibet has often been outside Chinese control and much of the time Chinese control was merely nominal. You had a situation of having suzerainty there rather than sovereignty for much of the history even when you had some political authority there. Tibetan adoption of Chinese customs, like the Imperial exams, was less vigorous than that of areas now controlled by the now-independent Koreas, and Vietnam. While Tibetans may be citizens(and mistreated ones at that) of a Chinese state, they are clearly not Chinese culturally. I'd also question the use of the Yuan dynasty for proof of how Chinese Tibet became. The Yuan dynasty started out as a Mongol government, not a Chinese one and initially preferred Mongols, Turkic peoples and Tibetans in official posts rather than Chinese people. True they became more and more Chinese, but that hardly shows the cultural spread of China through the government when the government only gradually became Chinese itself. You're feeding me jingoistic BS which would persuade very few who aren't already Chinese nationalists. P.S. I too send best wishes to those who love peace and truth. Too bad too few of those people are in China's government |
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solvay
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« Reply #47 on: April 29, 2008, 11:03:52 PM » |
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P.S. I too send best wishes to those who love peace and truth. Too bad too few of those people are in China's government.
You are wrong.The chinese people loves peace and truth from of old.You can read the history and investigate the modern China's government then you will find what I say is truth.Maybe you could fall in love with China and chinese people.Welcome you,sincerely!
Tibetan adoption of Chinese customs, like the Imperial exams. That Local government obeys central government is undisputed.I am honoured to tell you if you don't know. The central government has been throwing himself into development of Tibet.To our delighted the Tibetan economy has gained great advancement and Tibetan are living better lives than the past.
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« Reply #48 on: April 30, 2008, 06:18:23 AM » |
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You are wrong.The chinese people loves peace and truth from of old.You can read the history and investigate the modern China's government then you will find what I say is truth.Maybe you could fall in love with China and chinese people.Welcome you,sincerely!
That Local government obeys central government is undisputed.I am honoured to tell you if you don't know. The central government has been throwing himself into development of Tibet.To our delighted the Tibetan economy has gained great advancement and Tibetan are living better lives than the past.
To learn more true history will help you form the right world view. What did the second part of the response even have to do with my post? As for the first, my knowledge of recent Chinese history is the reason for mistrust. Any government which can discard people as callously as it did and make only the most generic and insincere of apologies a generation later is hardly worthy of our trust. P.S. This talk about forming the right world view sounds creepy and totalitarian to me. |
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. . . sometimes it seems that one has to lean into the wind to stand straight.
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Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women; when it dies there, no constitution,no law, no court can even do much to save it.
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« Reply #50 on: April 30, 2008, 08:43:15 PM » |
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Please do not post the exact same thing in more than one place. Your good buddy the politcal operative on our site 'solvay' was suspended for a week for doing this. DO YOU UNDERSTAND?
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 Who will watch the watchers?A vote for McCain is a traitorous vote for the destruction of our way of life as we know it. |
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« Reply #51 on: April 30, 2008, 08:59:37 PM » |
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Please do not post the exact same thing in more than one place. Your good buddy the politcal operative on our site 'solvay' was suspended for a week for doing this. DO YOU UNDERSTAND?
I'm sorry. |
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« Reply #52 on: May 01, 2008, 07:29:24 AM » |
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P.S. This talk about forming the right world view sounds creepy and totalitarian to me.
That's because it is creepy and totalitarian. Brought to you by the creepiest totalitarian regime on the globe... (2nd only to N.Korea of course). |
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« Reply #53 on: May 01, 2008, 04:55:36 PM » |
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P.S. This talk about forming the right world view sounds creepy and totalitarian to me.
That's because it is creepy and totalitarian. Brought to you by the creepiest totalitarian regime on the globe... (2nd only to N.Korea of course). I don't know, Burma(a regime they often support)may have them beat for the two spot. In any case the rankings hardly matter, the rankness of government hypocrisy does. |
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. . . sometimes it seems that one has to lean into the wind to stand straight.
James Welch Winter in the Blood
Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women; when it dies there, no constitution,no law, no court can even do much to save it.
Judge Learned Hand
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« Reply #54 on: May 06, 2008, 06:21:09 AM » |
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P.S. This talk about forming the right world view sounds creepy and totalitarian to me.
That's because it is creepy and totalitarian. Brought to you by the creepiest totalitarian regime on the globe... (2nd only to N.Korea of course). false... North Korea is FAR worse than China ever was. Jesus people get your heads straight, China isn't a model democracy but it works far better than the imperialism that had ravaged it before Communism. If we are going to lecture Chinese about subversion of their own people then we should consider the subversion and terror the U.S. has unleashed as well. China is not the worst nation that we trade with... |
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« Reply #55 on: May 06, 2008, 05:02:13 PM » |
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China is not the worst nation that we trade with...
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Yes it is. In the way that you better wake up and start seeing the real face of China: bowing thousands of times, talking sweet and honey, in the beginning, until you fell more comfortable with them. ...And then they perform coitus to your backside.
...all the way to the bank.
If you don't believe me ask your father, or some older member of your family, who lost their job because manufacturing is cheaper in China. And not that the manufactured goods from China are of better quality than North American or European goods. Quite the opposite. Then, why the hell, would someone on their right mind want to give anything to some poor third world recipients if you will hurt yourself by doing that? Did we loose our self preservation instinct. Why do I care that China is an underdeveloped rats-hole, if my parents cannot afford to retire until well into their 70's ?
We can be pretty slack with what we demand around here, but this was a little over the top cauboi
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« Reply #56 on: May 06, 2008, 05:44:50 PM » |
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...And then they perform coitus to your backside.
We can be pretty slack with what we demand around here, but this was a little over the top cauboi
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Biker Dude
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« Reply #57 on: May 06, 2008, 07:34:12 PM » |
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I understand. And dealing with the government wankers masquerading as 'normal people' or 'students' can be frustrating.
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« Reply #58 on: May 06, 2008, 08:34:10 PM » |
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P.S. This talk about forming the right world view sounds creepy and totalitarian to me.
That's because it is creepy and totalitarian. Brought to you by the creepiest totalitarian regime on the globe... (2nd only to N.Korea of course). false... North Korea is FAR worse than China ever was. Jesus people get your heads straight, China isn't a model democracy but it works far better than the imperialism that had ravaged it before Communism. If we are going to lecture Chinese about subversion of their own people then we should consider the subversion and terror the U.S. has unleashed as well. China is not the worst nation that we trade with... I'd be the last to apologize for colonialism and I understand why many would prefer their own thugs to someone else's, but when, pray tell, did Europeans kill as many Chinese as the CCP's Cultural Revolution did? |
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. . . sometimes it seems that one has to lean into the wind to stand straight.
James Welch Winter in the Blood
Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women; when it dies there, no constitution,no law, no court can even do much to save it.
Judge Learned Hand
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« Reply #59 on: May 07, 2008, 11:23:01 AM » |
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I'd be the last to apologize for colonialism and I understand why many would prefer their own thugs to someone else's, but when, pray tell, did Europeans kill as many Chinese as the CCP's Cultural Revolution did?
From about the early-1800's to the freeing of China from the imperialists by the Dean of Humanities from Beijing University. |
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