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« Reply #60 on: May 07, 2008, 02:36:36 PM »

Of course you mean your own Emperor right? Of course you do.
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« Reply #61 on: May 07, 2008, 03:10:38 PM »


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I'd be the last to apologize for colonialism and I understand why many would prefer their own thugs to someone else's, but when, pray tell, did Europeans kill as many Chinese as the CCP's Cultural Revolution did?

From about the early-1800's to the freeing of China from the imperialists by the Dean of Humanities from Beijing University.
Evidence from a reputable historical source, please.  It takes a whole lot of deaths to equal the Cultural Revolution.
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« Reply #62 on: May 07, 2008, 06:19:29 PM »

How about if it's okay for China to claim Tibet then is it okay for the US to claim Iraq? Mexico?


I don't know why people compare Tibet with Iraq.  In Tibet's case, China is trying to claim that a country has always been part of it, yet it hasn't (China, as the Chinese like to boast, has been around for 5000 years, and Tibet certainly hasn't been part of China for all of that).

In Iraq's case, the USA invaded a country whose dictator had defied UN sanctions and broken the terms of the ceasefire.  Had he not done so, the USA wouldn't have invaded.  The USA is also not trying to claim that Iraq is part of the USA, nor that it has always been a part of the USA.
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« Reply #63 on: May 07, 2008, 06:24:11 PM »

What is it with you guys lately?  All of a sudden we get a whole bunch of Chinese posters, all of whom have IP's with the same street address in Beijing?  What a coincidence!
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« Reply #64 on: May 07, 2008, 06:25:01 PM »


My foreign teacher told me a lot of westerners still don't know China very much now.So please ask yourself with heart how many things you know about China??And are you sure all of the things are the truth??
I'll try think about it in your western ways!!!

I have lived in China for nearly 5 years and know the place pretty well.

I do think that the western media image is OTT.

On the other hand, so is the Chinese portrayal of it as a 'beautiful, ancient, historic land'.

Most of China is blighted by horrible, sprawling, grey, cities with no civic amenity or thought as to how they can be made nice places for the average person.  One exception is where I live in Kaifaqu, Dalian.  It's still not paradise (A lot of foreigners turn up here and hate it, because they have no idea how bad most other cities are) but it's reasonable.

Why are Chinese cities like this?  Because they are run in a dictatorial manner.  Parks are bulldozed to make way for yet another horrid building that will fall down in 20 years anyway.  People are routinely moved out of their homes.  Anywhere that might look a bit more picturesque or interesting is soon deemed 'too old' and knocked down.  It's this way of running things that make the cities into nightmares.  Many Chinese cities resemble this book I had in primary school which warned of what would happen to western cities if we didn't look after the environment - grey skies ubiquitous, no green space, filthy air which you choke on, and so on.  That's all down to the dictatorial government which prevents people objecting or demanding that things be developed in a way which gives everyone a decent living environment, rather than one which suits the property developers and party cadres, who can lock themselves away in their luxury compounds not thinking about the hellish nightmare most people live in.
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« Reply #65 on: May 07, 2008, 06:33:34 PM »


e rape Tibet??You know Tibetan has more policy than our Han Chinese?They needn't obey the family planning,they can go to school free,government protect their words and cultures,etc.We've been built a railway(The hardest railway in the world) to Tibet to accelerate their ecomic ,and communciate with our mainland more.Do you know these things??This is the things we can see by our government!
Why all of you hate the CP???or hate our communsim???I just know my life become better and better,not rich but better.Yes,of course,I'll say "that our country are not good in this way or in that way,look the western cuntry,we should learn from them."

You do know that being occupied means that all the things that China has done in Tibet are simply not made up for.  Many of your arguments could be made about the British in India (but the British never controlled the Indian people's religion - it is said that we couldn't give a damn what religion they were, as long as they made a good cup of tea).  As to hating communism - in what way could China's government be described as 'communist'?  There's no free healthcare, no free education, it's more capitalist than Britain is!  But without any freedom of speech or right to protest on top of that.  In many ways it resembles the kind of brutal regimes that America (wrongly) supported in order to combat communism (e.g. Pinochet's Chile or Soeharto's Indonesia) more than it resembles communism, whether we're talking a mere ideal, or actually existing communism like the USSR.

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But think about it,we have 1.3billion people.Our 1.3billion people need to eat every day.Our government can meet it,I guess even American can't say this is nothing for them.BTW,China is a big county but we have less plough and even we can't use a lot of places.Imagine,how hard it would be??Can you promise your country will do it better too??

You are aware of how much of the USA is desert, right?
Japan is more densely populated than China, with fewer natural resources.  Is Japan poor?

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You said no action to aganist China??So why western media use the wrong pictures and tell wrong reports??Why a TV station will say an ambulance as a army car in Tibet???Why will 3 news cars beside the Tibetian roiters group and no one news car beside Chinese student abroad group when the torch in Paris???Why they just intervies the roiters and don't interview our Chinese students???Even interview,but they cut this on TV???Why???

I understand these points, but when there is such an absence of information both within China and outside it, it's not surprising that the western media got their facts confused.

One of my main gripes about China is the information thing.  It's no shock that Chinese people like going on tours instead of going on holiday independently like people in most other countries.  It's simply too difficult to just get up and travel round China independently.  So they think that other countries are like that too.

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What's your democracy and human rights???They just wanna report what they want,you think this is fair?Huh?Huh??Do you know the things above???Do you see the video how the ritors hurt Han Chinese on roads in Tibet??Do you know a little girl are died in a burning a house(and her parents and a innocent Tibetan) by those people you always think kind???Do you know the things???

Yes, we know about the violence that happened in the riots.

I think the point that people are making is that when, over the course of 50 years, you destroy a country's national religion, smash its monasteries (and nearly, scandalously, destroy what is arguably the world's most beautiful building, thank god they didn't), force its spiritual leader to live in another country, submit its women to forced sterilisation, torture people for possessing a picture of said spiritual leader, and move nomads off their ancestral land at gunpoint, at some point they are going to rise up in violence against their occupier.  We make the same argument over Palestine so why shouldn't we over Tibet.

Chinese people seem to think that merely building a few Nike shops in Lhasa and a railway, is going to make up for the above.  It isn't.
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« Reply #66 on: May 08, 2008, 12:20:23 AM »


renegadedog you are such a liar. You say you have been in China for a whole 5 years and you know the "place" pretty well...what bullshyte!

What is it that possesses know nothing foreigners like yourself to spread western propaganda in support of terrorists? Is it just your angst at realizing you really don't know anything about China? You are really unbelievable!

I just want, first, to interject in my debunking of your useless garbage about Tibet for a minute because you so graphically demonstrate that you also don't know dick about what the British did in India.

Didn't care about controlling the religion of India you say? You really need to get an education and perhaps read a bit. A suggestion might be "Negationism and the Muslim Conquests" by Francois Gautier. The British attitude in India was to favor Indian Muslims and Sikhs against the Hindus. The British dictators paid no attention to the murder of Hindus by Muslims nor the destruction of Hindu temples by Muslims and they sided with the Muslims when they were about to be kicked out of India and caused a civil war that split the country and the British helped set up the Muslims in Pakistan. Didn't care? The not only cared, they were active in their support of the murder of Hindus by Muslims.

Getting back to the topic: Tibet is not and never was a country. It was occupied for a time by the British, the Nazis thought it was a possible origin of the Aryan race - which they discovered it wasn't - but they didn't occupy that part of China.

It really is too bad that you know so little about China and can't even speak or read the language proficiently enough to listen to the radio or watch TV. It has always amazed me the number of foreigners in China who, because the people in China dare to speak, read and write Chinese, criticize and insult simply because the foreigner is not "included" by having every newspaper, TV program and every radio program translated into English for them.

You then, again, crayon in your usual racist propaganda gleaned from the usual anti-China sources as if it will somehow be viewed by anyone with the intellect above that of a rock and who knows the truth, as being anything more than simple garbage.

You remind me of that moron that came to the CD a while ago spouting the writings of Tenzin Gyatso's cousin as if they were somehow factual. What idiocy!!!

Ever been to Tibet renegadedog? Ever sat with real Tibetans and discussed with them their views on whether they want to return to slavery or continue moving toward the future? Ever read anything - even the translated into English - by a Tibetan that is not and was not part of the cult that the traitor and terrorist Tenzin Gyatso heads?

Tenzin Gyatso left Tibet for American money. He was never the "spiritual" leader of Tibet - the Panchem Lama has always been the Spiritual Leader of Tibet, even before Tenzin Gyatso was spit out of his mother's womb.

The recent riots in Tibet were not being orchestrated by Tibetan civilians. They were orchestrated by the terrorist organization headed by Tenzin Gyatso and funded by other terrorists, as well as of course, the CIA and the NED - all you need to do is check and the information is all over the place; along of course with the same lies you like to spread. I choose the truth, you choose the lies.

You cite a lot of serious things - where's your supporting proof? All you have is garbage propaganda to spew to continue your insults against China, Chinese people and the Tibetan ethnic group.

Tibet is a free region of China. It was freed from the horrible evil that existed pre-liberation. There is not one single Tibetan that wants a return to those times. They are happy that they have the right to an education - in the Tibetan ethnic group language. They are happy that they have the rights extended to all ethnic groups in China. They are happy that they can own businesses, travel, make money from their own efforts, worship or not worship a religion as they personally see fit. The Tibetan religion is protected for those that wish to practice that religion and those who do not want it are free from religious oppression.

You are simply another in a long line of know nothing foreigners that feel China needs to change to suit you. Too bad for you though, China will not change just to suit you or any other racist. China will do what China does in the way and timeframe that China wants to do it; changing what China wishes to change and not changing what China does not wish to change.

Gee. Must be hard on you living - if you truly are - in a country that you hate so much. Tell me, do you insult China so much directly with the Chinese people around you, or are you a coward that only spews vitriol on a forum? I mean, after all, the garbage you try and write is pretty nasty, surely you go down to the local bar and say these things, don't you? You use such lies with your Chinese acquaintances don't you?

You are an anti-China racist and God knows why you are in China...if you truly are. It must be hell for you having to live in a place you hate so much around people you hate so much and of whom you have such a tiny bit of knowledge. Is there some reason you just don't return to Ol' Blighty so you can live in peace and quiet in your home country? Surely your hatred of China trumps your desire for money? Why not stop being a hypocrite and return to your home country?

Or, of course, you could learn how to speak and read Chinese, travel around and actually learn something. After all, the crap you write on the CD and the even lower quality propaganda bull shyte you spread on this forum shows that you haven't got a clue about China as a nation or the Chinese people as a race.
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« Reply #67 on: May 08, 2008, 06:47:38 AM »

Hi, Welcome to the forum.
Poeple from every countries are welcome here.

Please,in the future do not open a new thread when a topic already exist. There is a topic on TIBET right here.

I don't realy agree with you on Mao (and communisim in general). He was a disaster for China and for Tibet.
Normal that Tibetians were not happy.

How do you know something about Mao and Tibet? From your textbooks? That's why you think differently from Chinese.
You should learn some Chinese language to help you be enlightened more. Your media are not good at China.
I read a lot of articles in many websites of yours. Many articles about China is completely ignorant as you always are. You people think by imagining. That's not good. Do some fact-to-fact research as a good student.

Since Yuan Dynasty (about 1000 years ago, founded by Mongolians), Tibet has been formaly a part of China as Terxas has been a part of the U. S. more than a century ago.  But before 1959, there was no freedom for common people there. But now, you can go to Tibet for a pleasure trip, and find they live a very good life.
China is not country for a single ethnic group, but a country for all the ethnic groups living in China.
As a common Chinese citizen in Inner Mongolia, I can tell you the minority ethinic groups enjoy more favorable policies than Hans, the majority group.
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« Reply #68 on: May 08, 2008, 09:20:21 AM »

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What is it with you guys lately?  All of a sudden we get a whole bunch of Chinese posters, all of whom have IP's with the same street address in Beijing?  What a coincidence!

^^ here's another one.

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. Many articles about China is completely ignorant as you always are. You people think by imagining. That's not good. Do some fact-to-fact research as a good student.

No. Every article I have posted has information that has been confirmed first hand by former Chinese now living far out of the Party's reach, so no: they are bang on correct. Is the article where China announced it will continue it's one-child policy incorrect? No it's not. Despite all the denials and contradictions by so-called "Regular Chinese people" here on this thread people are put in prison for critcizing their government -- which doesnt happen with the Patriot Act so it's not "the same thing". There is indeed a national firewall dispite all the denials, then admitals then denials again. And dispite "real Chinese posters" coming here to deny it the Chairman stood up himself and anounced to the world that they would continue to mandate how many children people can have.

So dont tell us to do "fact finding" when you're going to sit there and bullshit us.
 

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China is not country for a single ethnic group, but a country for all the ethnic groups living in China.

no country on the face of the planet is a single ethnic group. Not a single one. What's your point? Maybe YOU GUYS should stop listening to your own propaganda about the Western World and educate yourself properly "as a good student".





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« Reply #69 on: May 08, 2008, 09:23:53 AM »

Truely bizarre.  I wouldn't normally figure that little 'ole IAP was that important.  I guess they are gonna pull out all the stops up to the Olympics.  I wonder if maybe the are spending some of Free's 1.6 billion? 
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« Reply #70 on: May 08, 2008, 10:02:18 AM »

Well no doubt that after all the money they've spent on the Olympics in order to try and improve their image and it turns out to highlight the opposite...well no wonder they're pissed. Whats a few more bucks on propaganda?
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« Reply #71 on: May 08, 2008, 05:42:53 PM »

Truely bizarre.  I wouldn't normally figure that little 'ole IAP was that important.  I guess they are gonna pull out all the stops up to the Olympics.  I wonder if maybe the are spending some of Free's 1.6 billion? 

You talk of freedom.  Believe me there is more freedom in China than America.  Tibet people are more free than ever have been in the before.  You say brainwash, but U.S is brainwash one.  Your puppet zion masters do the talking and controlling.  your freedom is illusionary.
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« Reply #72 on: May 08, 2008, 08:28:44 PM »

Truely bizarre.  I wouldn't normally figure that little 'ole IAP was that important.  I guess they are gonna pull out all the stops up to the Olympics.  I wonder if maybe the are spending some of Free's 1.6 billion? 

You talk of freedom.  Believe me there is more freedom in China than America.  Tibet people are more free than ever have been in the before.  You say brainwash, but U.S is brainwash one.  Your puppet zion masters do the talking and controlling.  your freedom is illusionary.
Zionist,masters eh?  I wonder how they control my vote. Undecided  They certainly couldn't control your nonexistent voting rights. Sad
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« Reply #73 on: May 08, 2008, 09:20:51 PM »

Zionist,masters eh?  I wonder how they control my vote. Undecided  They certainly couldn't control your nonexistent voting rights. Sad

We don't need your rotating dictatorship of business.  PRC is best govermnet
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« Reply #74 on: May 10, 2008, 02:00:01 AM »

Some said Yuan Dynasty is not part of Chinese history. Don't you think it's funny?
If you think Rome Empire is not part of European history, then you people do not have a history.
Where are you all from?
I tell you China is not only for Han ethnic group, but for all 56 ethnic groups in China.
Chinese does not only refer to Hans but to all other ethnic groups in China.
You people do not know China's geography and history, that may be understandable; but you do not have a logical thinking. Regretful. That means you have been badly educated.
In Chinese history, there were many Dynasties founded by the ethnic groups.
China is a land not only for Hans, but for all other ethinic groups as the U. S. should not   only be the land for whites but for all races including Indians and blacks (but what did your government do to them in the history? Terrible if you know clearly).

Your melting pot often means racial discrimination, but terriblly you people do not have time to solve these problems but have time to make problems in other countries.

Maybe you think I am "from Chinese government" as you always avoid the fact that these voices are from the ordinary Chinese citizens. Do as you like since you have the freedom of free thinking. But I want to tell you not always to live by sleep. Dreams are not always helpful.
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