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« Reply #30 on: April 23, 2008, 12:48:51 PM » |
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The point patton is that evolution is no more a statement of "something from nothing" than to say broccoli came form nothing. To me, abiogenesis is "something from nothing" If you don't believe in evolution.... I never said that.....I do believe in evolutionary principles....evolution is adaptation.....but the theory does nothing to answer abiogenesis. Could we exist without amino acids? Since we are protein factories....no. |
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« Reply #31 on: April 23, 2008, 12:59:35 PM » |
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but the theory does nothing to answer abiogenesis.
And this is necessary because? God does not explain it either to my satisfaction, but I know which trail of bread crumbs I'd keep following if I needed the answer. Quote
Could we exist without amino acids?
Since we are protein factories....no. And which came first? Amino acids or life? I'm sure you;ve seen and debated this before but for the hell of it  : The Origins of LifeIt's still a big question mark at the end of it, but since we see examples of this molecular evolution everywhere i'm going with it over "7 days and 7 nights" Respectfully, Ahk |
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« Reply #32 on: April 23, 2008, 01:09:23 PM » |
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It's still a big question mark at the end of it, but since we see examples of this molecular evolution everywhere i'm going with it over "7 days and 7 nights" Smiley An even bigger question is, do we see examples of spontaneous generation today or 'cause without effect?' |
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« Reply #33 on: April 23, 2008, 01:40:31 PM » |
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Okay. I'll bite. Do we?
Or do we simply see things without being able to see the cause?
For a long time no one believed in germs because we couldnt see them. Now we can. SO anytime you see something that apparently is spontanious one must consider we might just not be seeing the cause.
Remember my original point was simply that
A; Evolution is not simply "something from nothing"
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B; Is not believing (at all -- in any way -- so someone like Patton would not count) in evolution and instead believing totally, verbatum in the Biblical creation not "radical"?
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« Reply #34 on: April 23, 2008, 02:08:45 PM » |
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And which came first? Amino acids or life? I'm sure you;ve seen and debated this before but for the hell of it This is where a philosophical/religious discussion could take off....rather than use this forum for the discussion (since it is really OT for this thread and forum), it could be carried on in P&R if so inclined...but you and I have been here long enough and know eachother well enough to know concrete/definitive proof to change either ones opinion/belief does not exist....so we can go to P&R for the mental/debate exercise...or shake hands and move on....I'm good for either. |
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« Reply #35 on: April 23, 2008, 02:17:32 PM » |
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I agree. It is OT and if someone doesn't believe in it they dont believe in it and Im good with that. I feel no compelling need to convince anyone or you would've seen me take up permanent residence in P&R a while ago |
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« Reply #36 on: April 24, 2008, 12:45:53 PM » |
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Can't we all just agree to say that we DO. NOT. KNOW?
This is a wise man who has the ability and the good sense to admit this one universal truth about how it all came to be. Anybody claiming to know the origin of the univese should be suspect in anything he says. |
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« Reply #37 on: April 24, 2008, 01:05:01 PM » |
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I have faith I know ... that's the best I can do.
ps: yet I still don't know the mechanism used to bring it all to fruition.
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« Reply #38 on: April 25, 2008, 07:53:48 AM » |
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I'm more confused with the origin of God then the origin of human life. I don't understand how introducing an even MORE complex being erases the relative lesser complexity of the human race...
... but hey... that's why I'm an atheist...
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Either you repeat the same conventional doctrines everybody is saying, or else you say something true, and it will sound like its from Neptune.
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« Reply #39 on: April 25, 2008, 08:07:48 AM » |
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I'm more confused with the origin of God It is admittedly confounding. I can't get my hands around it. That alone shows how simple the human mind is. If a beach is all knowledge, then we hold about a grain of sand. We are so stupid, we cannot even stop fighting among ourselves like school children. I don't understand how introducing an even MORE complex being erases the relative lesser complexity of the human race... God thankfully doesn't rely on our 'understanding.' He will reveal himself in his own time. You seem like a good guy. I hope you do one day find God. I think that maybe you will. |
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« Reply #40 on: April 28, 2008, 08:53:34 AM » |
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The same people who oppose evolution and abortion also oppose eugenics. This makes them totally opposed to a rational, humane and civilized world.
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« Reply #41 on: April 28, 2008, 10:17:40 AM » |
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The same people who oppose evolution and abortion also oppose eugenics. This makes them totally opposed to a rational, humane and civilized world. You said it... not me...  |
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Either you repeat the same conventional doctrines everybody is saying, or else you say something true, and it will sound like its from Neptune.
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... you can almost see the high water mark - that place where the wave finally broke and rolled back.
- Hunter S. Thompson
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« Reply #42 on: April 28, 2008, 10:23:21 AM » |
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The same people who oppose evolution and abortion also oppose eugenics. I'm not really that familiar with 'eugenics' and from a quick google, couldn't get a great answer, either. What do you mean by it? |
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« Reply #43 on: April 28, 2008, 10:51:58 AM » |
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The same people who oppose evolution and abortion also oppose eugenics. I'm not really that familiar with 'eugenics' and from a quick google, couldn't get a great answer, either. What do you mean by it? Try this site out for starters. OswaldTheOsprey http://www.eugenics.net/ |
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« Reply #44 on: April 28, 2008, 11:39:21 AM » |
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Try this site out for starters. Couldn't read all of it but hit some highlights. Is the gist that we should try and breed stupid people OUT of society? |
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