Well, so what's the point?
That was merely my response to the point you made earlier when you said Israel is not the only nuclear power.
So, as you see, there is no point in arguing wether or not Israel has some monopoly or not...
No nuclear power has nuclear monoply unless you select only the non-nuclear nations around it to define the "region" in question.
Exactly the only thing is Fred the country here concerned which is Israel never was part of NPT yet they have the nuclear status. And I don't want to start the whole argument that Israel is in a hostile neighbourhood and has arab foes....
No, I see that you don't want to.
My point is that if Iran become a nuclear power it will have nuclear monopoly as well since non of its neighbor and potential foes would own nukes.
Iran is part of NPT and does not have nuclear weapon to date contrary to speculation. Some arabs like saudis may not like iranians but they hate jews even more.
I was talking in the future tense. And the west is not going to stay iddle because it's "speculation".
Saudis may hate jews more than Iranians but Israelis have no oil and are no rival in the region of oil.
Wars are not make out of cultural hatred. It's more political as you said.
Canadians hate Yankees, it doesn't mean they will make war on the US.
Well, actualy they will be ruled by radical AND attacked by another country. Better being ruled by moderate and not be attacked, don't you think?
Well the mullahs have ruled for nearly 30 years in Iran after the revolution in 1979 and the west didn't seem much to care about what they do to their people. The radicalism seem mainly to have materialised after the west found out about their nuclear program right after the Iraq war. Presidential election in March 2009 may exactly give the chance for a more moderate government to be elected. So yes it is worth giving that chance.
Iran has been radical since Ayatholah Kahmeyni took power with his Islamic Revolution.
So i don't know what you are talking about.
Very few ordinary civilians use devices for the nuclear or aerospace industry which are subject of sanctions.
That is utter nonesense! The airplanes are almost 30 years old because US barred manufacturers for giving spare parts. These are passenger planes we are talking about ffs.
I don't know about airline issues but it seems that they should be able to keep their fleet fit for international flights. Maybe leasing or using foreign copanies.
Foreign companies do have flights to Iran. The question is why should there be sacntions on spare parts of domestic airplanes that are pretty out of standard and jeopordise the lives of ordinary people travelling abroad? Us has imposed these sanctions for much longer than the whole nuclear issue started. Why? Are you telling me when iraninas will get the spare parts they will use it for nuclear devices.
Why is it a problem? If a plane is not safely fit for flying, it should stay on the ground.
If domestic Iranian airlines are carrying passengers knowing that the plane could crash, it's their fault if it does.
I haven't heard of any plane crash caused by "a made-in-USA missing part" anyway.
The point is that current UN sanctions don't affect basic products like food, medecine or stuffs that everubody use.
It had little affect on the economy in general so far. I think it's who who told me that despite sanction their economy grew by x% this year and that business contract were up (or was it Peisthanatos?).
It affects the price of petrol and there's a direct correlation to price of food. It is exactly as the result of sanctions that it has taken its toll on ordinary iranian burt there's very little coverage in the news.
The sanctions don't affect the price of oil. Talks of war do.
The sanctions don't disrupt Iranian oil exports.
Caktus, Iran is claimimg that their goal is to produce electricity in order to export more oil. I can only abound in their sens except that everything they did so far went against that goal.
Fred...this is not as simple as you put it. You put yourself in their (iranian) position. When you see US troops on either side of your border. Label Iran as part of axis of evil for war against terror, position missles defence shield in Azerbaijan, US fleets in the persian gulf, constant weekly rhetorics by USrael that they will attack Iran, wouldn't you be worried? You will have all the amunition possible to defend yourself even and I repeat this even if that's a bluff. It's All Politics!
I agree. Iran should have invested more money in conventional defense systems instead of wasting money on centrifuges which will never give enough material for bomb before american zionist crusaders invade their holly land.
On top of that Iran shuldn't do the very single thing that will accelerate the so much feared USrael attack on them.
Not only do they fail to produce electricity, but they failed to get proper defense of their territory and uselessly rise the risk of war upon themselves.
If I was the Iranians, and if I was thinking that the US is encircling my country for an invasion, the last thing I would do would be to offer on a silver plate an internationaly aproved reason to do so.
If they wanted to build nuclear power plant to produce electricity, they could ask Russia or France to build a classic pwer plant and have it running without any problem since such a plant would not be able to produce bomb grade plutonium under any circumstance. It's technologicaly impossible with reactors in such plant.
That would have cost much much less than the huge centrifuge chains they build underground. And these plant would up and running smoothly for years already by now.
Even better: They had such a project with Russia but it was postponed or stopped (nobody is realy sure) since Iran didn't have enough money to pay the russians (of course they spent everything in bunkers, tunels and centrifuges). At least that's the official reason. The real reason could be that the russians stopped the project under international pressure.
And if that was not patethic enough, despite their huge investment in uranium enrichement, they still planned to buy nuclear fuel from Russia several years for the Busher power plant!
OK if you think that is pathetic then why are you so concerned. It's their business to resolve the issue with the russians.
It's worrying because it shows how irrational and obsessed with nuclear power they are. Even if it's for bluff.
Maybe it will never hurts me personaly, but it's scary to see that.
Good that Ahmy (who is never afraid of ridicule) told us that "Iran won't step back one iota from their right to nuclear energy". Because every step they took were huge leap backward.
To be honest given the current circumstances and the current threats by the USrael to attack Iran I don't blame them to say what ever they say.
That's calling escalating tensions. Ahmy championed on this game since he is president.
Sorry but they shouldn't have built top secret undergroud nuclear labs and factories at the first time.
