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« Reply #15 on: April 29, 2008, 06:22:30 AM » |
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Its funny that you actually think they really want an apology. Just as you teach our kids about WWII, we want you to teach them about slavery. Just as you teach our kids about Abraham Lincoln, we want you to teach them about slavery. Just as you teach our kids about the Holocaust, we want you to teach them about slavery. Just as you teach our kids that Columbus discovered America, we want to you to teach our kids about slavery. Just as the media talk about these things year after year, anniversary after anniversary we want them to also talk about slavery. This is the "apology" that most seek, and not the "I am sorry" apology that your ignorance refuse to profess.
Kids ARE taught about slavery for heaven's sake!!!! What do you want them to do, teach little white kids how to hate themselves, their ancestors, and self flagellate? I've got a better idea. Why don't we, as a nation, put color and racism behind us and be one nation? As for the ad hominem, that is completely unnecessary. You don't know me nor my level of education / intelligence. |
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BridgetD
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« Reply #16 on: April 29, 2008, 06:29:11 AM » |
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By the way Machiovelli, why don't you learn more about slavery throughout history. It affected more than just blacks in this country. Slavery is a human upon human problem and is not confined to black and white. Ibn Khaldun (1332 - 1406) the pre-eminent Islamic medieval historian and social thinker wrote: "The Negro nations are as a rule submissive to slavery.because they have attributes that are quite similar to dumb animals." In the 19th Century, the East African black slave trade included 347 000 slaves shipped to Arabia, Persia and India; 95 000 slaves were shipped to the Arab plantations in the Mascareme Islands. "White slaves from Christian Spain, Central and Eastern Europe" were also shipped into the Middle East and served in the "palaces of rulers and the establishments of the rich." He records that: "All slavic eunuchs.are castrated in that region and the operation is performed by Jewish merchants." Historian Robert Davis in his book "Christian Slaves, Muslim Masters - White Slavery In the Mediterranean, the Barbary Coast and Italy", estimates that North African Muslim pirates abducted and enslaved more than 1 million Europeans between 1530 and 1780. These white Christians were seized in a series of raids which depopulated coastal towns from Sicily to Cornwall. Thousands of white Christians in coastal areas were seized every year to work as galley slaves, labourers and concubines for Muslim slave masters in what is today Morocco, Tunisia, Algeria and Libya. The legends of European slave raiders venturing into the jungles of Africa to capture free peoples are generally just that: myths. The embarrassing fact of history, is that the Europeans did not have to use any force to obtain these slaves. The slaves were "sold" by their black owners. There was no need for the slave raiders to risk their lives or venture into the jungles of Africa, they simply purchased the people from African chiefs and Muslim slave traders at the coast. source Yet, many black people - followers of the likes of Farrakhan and Wright - harp on white people. I ask you, who is racist? |
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« Reply #17 on: April 29, 2008, 06:30:05 AM » |
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I've got a better idea. Why don't we, as a nation, put color and racism behind us and be one nation?
Best idea yet, only if people start acting on it. And we could start by stop trying to connect Obama to Farrakhan. |
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« Reply #18 on: April 29, 2008, 06:35:21 AM » |
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I've got a better idea. Why don't we, as a nation, put color and racism behind us and be one nation?
Best idea yet, only if people start acting on it. And we could start by stop trying to connect Obama to Farrakhan. He connected himself to radical black theology by sitting - of his own voalition - under Jeremiah Wright's teaching for TWENTY...not one...not two...not five....but TWENTY years. He had to have know that Wright and Farrakhan are buddies. In fact, they traveled to both Libya and Cuba together!!!! There is no way that Obama does not know what Wright and Farrakhan preach. And, by sitting in those church pews for so long, he gave it his stamp of approval as far as I am concerned. Now, let me ask you this. If a white presidential candidate sat under the teaching of a white-theology preacher who was in with the KKK and said preacher traveled with David Duke and said preacher used white supremisist thugs as bodyguards, what would you think about the white candidate? |
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« Reply #19 on: April 29, 2008, 06:54:34 AM » |
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I've got a better idea. Why don't we, as a nation, put color and racism behind us and be one nation?
Best idea yet, only if people start acting on it. And we could start by stop trying to connect Obama to Farrakhan. He connected himself to radical black theology by sitting - of his own voalition - under Jeremiah Wright's teaching for TWENTY...not one...not two...not five....but TWENTY years. He had to have know that Wright and Farrakhan are buddies. In fact, they traveled to both Libya and Cuba together!!!! There is no way that Obama does not know what Wright and Farrakhan preach. And, by sitting in those church pews for so long, he gave it his stamp of approval as far as I am concerned. Now, let me ask you this. If a white presidential candidate sat under the teaching of a white-theology preacher who was in with the KKK and said preacher traveled with David Duke and said preacher used white supremisist thugs as bodyguards, what would you think about the white candidate? I would be angry and vote for the candidate that sat in a Catholic church where child molestors have been preaching for years. |
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« Reply #20 on: April 29, 2008, 07:00:49 AM » |
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I would be angry and vote for the candidate that sat in a Catholic church where child molestors have been preaching for years.
That has nothing to do with Obama, Wright, Farrakhan, or racism. It's an overt attempt to draw the conversation away from the topic unto a criticism of religion. If you want to discuss the Catholic church, we can do so in another thread. Now, do you have anything further to say about the topic? How about a specific answer to my question: If a white presidential candidate sat under the teaching of a white-theology preacher who was in with the KKK and said preacher traveled with David Duke and said preacher used white supremisist thugs as bodyguards, what would you think about the white candidate? There would be absolute outrage from the black community wouldn't there? So, why does the black community expect a different response from whites to Obama? |
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« Reply #21 on: April 29, 2008, 07:47:47 AM » |
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Can you connect Bonnie to Clyde? Himmler to Hitler? Kruschev to Stalin?
Why can't a "friend of a friend" be used to connect?
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« Reply #22 on: April 29, 2008, 08:26:47 AM » |
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Does anybody seriously believe Obama holds any of the views that this maniac has?
I'm not even an Obama fan, and I don't believe that.
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« Reply #23 on: April 29, 2008, 08:35:28 AM » |
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Does anybody seriously believe Obama holds any of the views that this maniac has?
I'm not even an Obama fan, and I don't believe that. I don't think he holds these views. It does show me he's not strong enough to take a hard stand, though. I think the Reverand was right about one thing...Obama will say what he needs to say to get elected. |
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« Reply #24 on: April 29, 2008, 08:49:54 AM » |
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Who you choose to associate with demonstrates character and integrity or a lack thereof. If I was running for President, I'd be sunk because of my like for and association with Wigs here at IAP.....  |
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« Reply #25 on: April 29, 2008, 08:54:40 AM » |
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Who you choose to associate with demonstrates character and integrity or a lack thereof. If I was running for President, I'd be sunk because of my like for and association with Wigs here at IAP..... Yeah, once I went on air demanding that all drugs be legal, you would be done for.  I don't think he holds these views. It does show me he's not strong enough to take a hard stand, though. I think the Reverand was right about one thing...Obama will say what he needs to say to get elected. Which is why he's just another politician. Who Wright is doesn't make Obama better or worse, IMO. |
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« Reply #26 on: April 29, 2008, 09:30:38 AM » |
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I go to church and listen to my pastor talk about God and whatnot, even though I plainly don't agree with the concept... but I like her sermons and the way she connects issues of faith with a simple life lesson she or a friend had that week. She's very good and very nice... but it doesn't mean I agree with what she says.
This whole Rev. Wright thing is an example of a media more obsessed with the headline than the story.
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« Reply #27 on: April 29, 2008, 03:43:11 PM » |
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Can you connect Bonnie to Clyde? Himmler to Hitler? Kruschev to Stalin?
Why can't a "friend of a friend" be used to connect?
People generally surround themselves with people they like, can identify with, and / or can agree with. If Wright's words over the past 20 years had been an afront to Obama, he would've already left that church. Furthermore, it's not just his association with Wright. It's telling that he has an association with the Weathermen and a communist. Finally, some of his most ardent supporters have had Che or communist flags hanging in their office. Look, where there are flies, there's something that stinks. |
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« Reply #28 on: April 29, 2008, 03:44:11 PM » |
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Who you choose to associate with demonstrates character and integrity or a lack thereof. If I was running for President, I'd be sunk because of my like for and association with Wigs here at IAP..... My grandmother knew Al Sharpton, she basically raised me as I spent more time around her while my parents where working. I hate the f'ing guy and think he is the slum of the earth turn politician. I would never denounce my grandmother just because she knew the guy, and I hope people would never "connect" me to him or his racist views. Now he my friend is a racist. |
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« Reply #29 on: April 29, 2008, 03:59:30 PM » |
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 OHH NO HERE COMES WHITEY!! |
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You get what you pay for America... Welcome to the Obamanation.....
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