No interest in the rhetoric about China....?

And yet you spew your racist rhetoric immediately after.....

No one can dispute them because why?
Because you don't live here, have never been here and have made up your racist mind with no knowledge.
This forum is a like cesspit of anti China rhetoric.
I have been here less than 24 hours and cannot believe the ignorance.

So, seeing that you decided to introduce your rhetoric into this thread.....

""""""""""""Regarding your statements, no one can dispute them because China does not allow information to circulate""""""""""
Just how ignorant are you? I am viewing this forum and writing from Shenzhen.
Because you probably wouldn't have a clue, Shenzhen is in China.
How is that I can read 95% of foreign web sites?
How is that I regularly watch debate over government on Chinese T.V in......wait for it.........Chinese language.
Yes, they actually speak Chinese in China.

"""" To suggest that old people are not loved or cared for in the west is inaccurate.  They are. """"
Some are, many are not. Many have been bashed, put in homes and forgotten about and otherwise abused.
Is that care? Chinese people care for their old far more than most westerners.
Maybe what you call care would be a poor excuse for care in China

""""""""""I like making my own decisions and enjoy freedom of speech """"""""""
What you get to vote for one of two morons every few years, do your little dance, whoooppeee I'm free.
Are you another narrow mind that believes that a vote can only be carried out within two parties?
If your government is so free, why don't they use modern media to hold real democratic referendums regularly.
Why not? Because they don't trust you to make the right decision, that's why.
You are nothing but a poor brain washed porn of the rich and elite English upper class.
Congratulations....

"""" A temporary stage of growing up.  """"
Bashings, throwing up all over the streets, Beating old ladies and men.
Glad you see it as just some small event in their process of maturing.

""" I do not regard shooting and flattening students with tanks, to be caring for children """
Another filthy racist comment. Yes that event was a mistake of many years ago. There is no doubt of that.
Now would you like me to list some atrocities in you high and mighty history?
How many would you like?
You are a typical two faced high and mighty racist. Your superiority complex screams racism.

I was going to agree with you that this thread has gone of course....

... but seeing as you're so into empty rhetoric, pardon me for straying.......

Perhaps both sides can be simplistic at times...

I am not Chinese, but Australian with an English father and Scottish mother.
However, I can tell you after traveling to more than 30 countries around the world that the Chinese people are generally...
polite, a little shy, mostly kind, and really quite wonderful.

Now Gourock?
Isn't that in Scotland?
If so, what do you mean about travel restrictions to China?
There are none.

Let me explain a little more of my anger.
The TN square incident was a mistake.
Personally I do not think China was ready for such a movement at that time but a mistake nonetheless.
However, why do people in the west keep bringing it up as though it happened last year.
I have been coming here for 20 years and the China I first saw is nothing, absolutely nothing like the China I see today.
Why do I view it as racism?
Because it is used as a weapon.
If you google My Lai massacre you will find an incident involving Americans far more brutal than TN.
You will find references to the bayoneting of babies and countless horrific crimes.
The officer in charge was personally found responsible for the slaughter of 22 innocent men, women and children.
And yet, the majority of the American public believed he should not be charged with murder.
He served a couple of years of house arrest before being released and living as a happy family Jeweller in the north of the U.S

Is it racism?
You tell me?

The shooting at TN happened after the protesters torched an armoured car and the occupants were forced out in flames.
Was it the government that caused it? Some over zealous soldiers? Who knows the answer.
China doesn't look for excuses. The culture of China accepts a situation, learns from it and moves on.

Who brings up My lai every day of the week that the U.S is mentioned?
Read it thoroughly and you'll find plenty of excuses there....
I mean what does it take to bayonet a pregnant women or child?

OOpps sorry, I forgot , they were just geeks anyway....
But hang on, i TN they were just slopes?

How come one is so easily brushed aside and yet the other used as a weapon?

...Now you might understand why I often get angry with other foreigners.

1. Going anywhere to learn about other cultures is great. However the self professed China experts that have never been to China and would have trouble finding it on a map are in abundance here.

2. No, not true. China has for the past eight years been about the easiest country to both travel to or live in, in the entire world. Prior to that it was always very easy to travel to. Maybe if you were a Chinese person trying to travel to the west you would have a much better idea about what the term "close door" means

3. "Indeed" suggest a judgmental answer as I would expect.

4. Most of the attacking I see is by the west against China.

5. No, the world is not aware of it. If you said the words My Lai to 100 foreigners, how many would look at you with a blank expression. Did you answer "Indeed" to this.

6. Terrible things happen in riots as well. Did you think the armoured car personal that were set on fire were having a Sunday picnics?  That is no excuse. Did you post here about how terrible it was that two young Han Chinese girls were burned alive in the recent riots in Tibet? Ot did that not matter to this forum.

7. No. You once again dismiss Chinese culture and force your own on China. That is racial superiority where you have no interest in learning about Chinese culture but force your own down their throat.

8. When you live as an expat in China it is common to refer to Chinese or foreigners. Nothing racist whatsoever in that statement. I am a foreigner living in China. From where I sit right now, you are also a foreigner.

What travel restrictions to China?

Go to the Chinese Embassy (or Consulate) in your country ... get visa ... go to China - piece of cake.

Now, try being Chinese and trying to visit the UK, for example ... much harder.

Again, what travel restrictions to China? I have been there 7 times in the last 4 years ... it is very easy.

mr_pluck


Naturally the point here is any native Chinese leaving the country any time they like. I've only heard a few stories about this but they weren't good. Maybe you can tell me: what are the challenges faced by a Chinese person who wants to travel outside the country -- vacation whatever. I've heard many things but the mostly come down to it being very hard to get permission unless you're going off to study.


Ahk

OK thank you. That sounds like an honest answer and that's all Im looking for. I could wax rhetorical and say that this was my point in an earlier thread about permission to travel but I am so shocked by a level-headed sincere answer that I just don't have the heart. Instead I'll +1 ya.

Now for an on-topic post ...

The Labour Party is going up its own backside, where it belongs 

To be honest I think the UK needs a proper revolution.