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« Reply #15 on: May 06, 2008, 08:07:43 AM » |
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I should think it is pretty obvious that it does not. I should think you are wrong:  The bargraph talks about the nationality of 9/11 bombers. No. It really doesn't. So how does that show the nationality of attacks on US Forces in Iraq? Suicide bombers make the jobs of US soldiers harder, whether they're actually attacking US convoys or not. The disorder they create keeps Iraq turbulant. |
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« Reply #16 on: May 06, 2008, 09:19:29 AM » |
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I should think it is pretty obvious that it does not. I should think you are wrong: The bargraph talks about the nationality of 9/11 bombers. No. It really doesn't. So how does that show the nationality of attacks on US Forces in Iraq? Suicide bombers make the jobs of US soldiers harder, whether they're actually attacking US convoys or not. The disorder they create keeps Iraq turbulant. DORMOUSE, Well, if the spam filter here was not so touchy, you would see that I posted numerous other sources which prove that foreigners make up over half of all suicide bombers and are a major reason for US military and civilian deaths. I listed numerous sources. LA Times, USA TODAY FOX NEWS BALTIMORE CHRONICLE WASHINGTON POST There is also a story from the NY Times on how at least 1/3 of the oil from the largest oil field is being diverted to the black market and is being used to help fund the opposition to US forces. Oh yeah, there is also a piece from WEST POINT. All can be read just by clicking on reply and looking for my post which was shut down by the spam filter. |
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« Reply #17 on: May 06, 2008, 09:44:26 AM » |
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Pond scum: If you have more than one link in your post the spam filter won't allow them... Post your message without the links and then immediately hit modify in the bar above your post. Add the links and click save.
Pain in the ass, but it works.
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« Reply #18 on: May 06, 2008, 10:02:49 AM » |
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Thanks freethinker. Allright, a few more sources, LA Times........ About 45% of all foreign militants targeting U.S. troops and Iraqi civilians and security forces are from Saudi Arabia; 15% are from Syria and Lebanon; and 10% are from North Africa, according to official U.S. military figures made available to The Times by the senior officer. Nearly half of the 135 foreigners in U.S. detention facilities in Iraq are Saudis, he said. Fighters from Saudi Arabia are thought to have carried out more suicide bombings than those of any other nationality, said the senior U.S. officer, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the subject's sensitivity. It is apparently the first time a U.S. official has given such a breakdown on the role played by Saudi nationals in Iraq's Sunni Arab insurgency. He said 50% of all Saudi fighters in Iraq come here as suicide bombers. In the last six months, such bombings have killed or injured 4,000 Iraqis. http://fairuse.100webcustomers.com/fairenough/latimesA98.htmlInitial Findings Country of Origin Saudi Arabia was by far the most common nationality of the fighters’ in this sample; 41% (244) of the 595 records that included the fighter’s nationality indicated they were of Saudi Arabian origin. http://www.ctc.usma.edu/harmony/pdf/CTCForeignFighter.19.Dec07.pdfMORE......... http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2006-12-08-saudis-sunnis_x.htmI WILL INCLUDE THIS STORY JUST BECAUSE I MISSED IT......... The sea of oil under Iraq is supposed to rebuild the nation, then make it prosper. But at least one-third, and possibly much more, of the fuel from Iraq’s largest refinery here is diverted to the black market, according to American military officials. Tankers are hijacked, drivers are bribed, papers are forged and meters are manipulated — and some of the earnings go to insurgents who are still killing more than 100 Iraqis a week. “It’s the money pit of the insurgency,” said Capt. Joe Da Silva, who commands several platoons stationed at the refinery. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/16/world/middleeast/16insurgent.htmlhttp://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,148635,00.htmlA GREAT ARTICLE... http://baltimorechronicle.com/2008/042308Tyldesley.shtmlBased on the Sinjar records, U.S. military officials in Iraq said they now think that nine out of 10 suicide bombers have been foreigners, compared with earlier estimates of 75 percent. Similarly, they assess that 90 percent of foreign fighters entering Iraq during the one-year period ending in August came via Syria, a greater proportion than previously believed. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/01/21/ST2008012100189.html |
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« Reply #19 on: May 06, 2008, 01:00:49 PM » |
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The number one opposition to USA in Iraq is Iraqis. No one else even comes close.
An absolute crock. Tens of thousands of IA troops and Police have died fighting for Iraq. Not to mention the tens of thousands of civilians killed by terrorists and murderers. Iraq has done more and suffered more casualties fighting al-Qaeda and Iran's surrogates than any other US ally. |
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« Reply #20 on: May 08, 2008, 04:51:21 AM » |
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The topic here is the reason for the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. The Iranian hostage crisis began on Nov. 4, 1979. The invasion began on December 24, 1979, less than two months later. I doubt this was a coincidence. Look at the map.  It seems plausible that USSR anticipated a US invasion of Iran, which would put the US directly on the border of the Soviet Union, to the north. The Soviet invasion was intended to give the USSR a strategic advantage in defending its borders. Although Soviet meddling had been a force in Afghanistan before that point, there was no notion of a full scale invasion until after the hostage crisis began. When a US invasion never materialized, the Soviets were left with a fight for a piece of real estate they didn't need. Incidentally, the invasion, which produced Osama bin Laden, ran along the Iranian border, opposite the Iran/Iraq war, which gave us Saddam as an ally, a sea of Saudi crazies, the Gulf War and ultimately the US invasion of Iraq.. Pretty much all of our problems start in 79/80. |
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« Reply #21 on: May 08, 2008, 07:26:40 AM » |
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That's a nice piece of Soviet wargaming.......
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Battle is the most magnificent competition in which a human being can indulge. It brings out all that is best; it removes all that is base. All men are afraid in battle. The coward is the one who lets his fear overcome his sense of duty. Duty is the essence of manhood
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« Reply #22 on: May 08, 2008, 07:39:37 AM » |
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and who was the president of the united states in 1976-1977-1978 and 1979?
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« Reply #23 on: May 08, 2008, 02:12:51 PM » |
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That's a nice piece of Soviet wargaming.......
Well, I think most folks really don't understand how enormous the consequences of the Iranian Revolution were. Without it, we don't have the Soviet invasion, Osama and his crazies, who were originally our "allies"against the Soviets, Saddam, who was originally our ally against Iran, nor the Gulf War, The invasion of Iraq. By the way, Pakistan remains an ally, and has always been the true center of terrorism in the ME. (It is believed Osama is there now.) Musharraf actually hired none other than Osama bin Laden to stage an assassination of Benazir Bhutto in 1989. In return, he promised that Pakistan would be ruled by Sharia. The deal fell through, though. The Reagan administration was well aware Pakistan was building, and had obtained a bomb, but had to look the other way because Pakistan was the only way they could get weapons to the Afghani Mujahadeen. IF we were going to invade a country by the neo-con rules, Pakistan would have been the one. |
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« Reply #24 on: May 08, 2008, 02:34:55 PM » |
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That's a nice piece of Soviet wargaming.......
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« Reply #25 on: May 09, 2008, 12:03:38 AM » |
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That's a nice piece of Soviet wargaming.......
Well, I think most folks really don't understand how enormous the consequences of the Iranian Revolution were. Without it, we don't have the Soviet invasion, Osama and his crazies, who were originally our "allies"against the Soviets, Saddam, who was originally our ally against Iran, nor the Gulf War, The invasion of Iraq. By the way, Pakistan remains an ally, and has always been the true center of terrorism in the ME. (It is believed Osama is there now.) Musharraf actually hired none other than Osama bin Laden to stage an assassination of Benazir Bhutto in 1989. In return, he promised that Pakistan would be ruled by Sharia. The deal fell through, though. The Reagan administration was well aware Pakistan was building, and had obtained a bomb, but had to look the other way because Pakistan was the only way they could get weapons to the Afghani Mujahadeen. IF we were going to invade a country by the neo-con rules, Pakistan would have been the one. Gulp. We agree on something? The world is surely coming to an end. |
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« Reply #26 on: May 09, 2008, 10:22:11 AM » |
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That's a nice piece of Soviet wargaming.......
Well, I think most folks really don't understand how enormous the consequences of the Iranian Revolution were. Without it, we don't have the Soviet invasion, Osama and his crazies, who were originally our "allies"against the Soviets, Saddam, who was originally our ally against Iran, nor the Gulf War, The invasion of Iraq. By the way, Pakistan remains an ally, and has always been the true center of terrorism in the ME. (It is believed Osama is there now.) Musharraf actually hired none other than Osama bin Laden to stage an assassination of Benazir Bhutto in 1989. In return, he promised that Pakistan would be ruled by Sharia. The deal fell through, though. The Reagan administration was well aware Pakistan was building, and had obtained a bomb, but had to look the other way because Pakistan was the only way they could get weapons to the Afghani Mujahadeen. IF we were going to invade a country by the neo-con rules, Pakistan would have been the one. Gulp. We agree on something? The world is surely coming to an end. We agree on a lot of conditions, not a lot of solutions. That means we end up in the same boat occasionally. It happens. Enemy of my enemy is my friend. It is a Persian saying, the ME brings every reasonable thinker together. Not to worry, it will get bad again. |
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