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« on: May 07, 2008, 02:11:19 AM »


Triad - resurrection facts the reason of post monolingual world creation.

  According Bible it was one nation in the world of God.
And this nation had a supper strong wish to rich HIM.
So they began to build the Tower of Babel.

But the Tower was destroyed cause dividing constructors on many nations and languages misunderstanding each other.

The process of creation of more and more new nations and languages had been end about 100 – 50 years ago.
The last being created new language was Hebrew – the language of Bible, that God had gave to Moshe on the
Sinai mount.
And most Abram religious people believe that it was the language of Babel Tower builders.
In the same time Hebrew has became RESURRECTED GOD LANGUAGE after 2700 years of died in REVIVED GOD HOME STATE OF ISRAEL after 2700 years of died.

Now some words about bilingual persons.
Bilinguals are sort of people that have two native languages.
It even ever doesn’t mean that they can translate well from one language to another, but it does mean that they can laugh and cry on both of them.

The children of emigrants are bilinguals very often of there mother language and language of new motherland.
The children of parents from different nations are often bilingual too.


Now the main idea and proposal of this post.

The Fact of Resurrecting the Language of God, constructors of Babel Tower, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moshe, first Lord scriptural precept.
The Fact of national and confessional faith languages and cultures advantage in every nation of the world.
The Fact of returning billions of people to God and nationalism.

For because of this three facts my proposal to form from all children of God believing parents GOD LANGUAGE RESURRECTED – MOTHER (NATIONAL) LANGUAGE BILINGUALS.

It will be good if children all over the world know English.
But parents of the world have to be ABSOLUTELY SURE that there they will not become Anglo-Saxon culture and language monolinguals.

Children from all over the world have come to resurrected state of Israel to get Hebrew resurrected with goal of forming POSTMONOLINGUAL HEBREW RESURRECTED – NATIONAL LANGUAGE BILINGUAL GLOBAL WORLD.



For because God Language Resurrection in Israel the people all over the world will return to Him.
All people will become God Resurrected Language – national language bilinguals.
I have a strong wish to discuss this idea with you.
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« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2008, 12:28:34 PM »

You presume that more people believing in god would be a good thing...
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« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2008, 12:47:43 PM »

The Tower of Babalon and all the flood stories were all re-created from Sumarian history.
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« Reply #3 on: May 29, 2008, 09:53:47 PM »

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You presume that more people believing in god would be a good thing...

   I presume that Bible is a Holy Book for all 4 billions so called Abraham monotheistic religious people worldwide.
The Language of Holy Book for 2/3 of world population has resurrected, and their Holy Land – Israel has resurrected.
It is multicultural global society imperative – to reform world of monolingual people domination to the world of bilingual and trilingual people domination.
We know how in United Europe is hated English as not legal common language as a matter of hated fact.
What about to make the Holy Resurrected Language of 6000000 killed by almost all European nations Jews  to make the common language of future Hebrew – EU definite state language bilingual Europe – the most successful model of future Global Multilingual People World. 

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The Tower of Babalon and all the flood stories were all re-created from Sumarian history.
Sumarians and most of us according Bible are the Sons of Abraham.
 And in the 20th century the language of our common father has resurrected.
It is a good common point to teach natively all worldwide children Hebrew – the Holy Resurrected Language of their grandfather Abraham and their mother’s tongue.

   
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« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2008, 07:24:51 AM »

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I presume that Bible is a Holy Book for all 4 billions so called Abraham monotheistic religious people worldwide.

You presume incorrectly. Very incorrectly.

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Sumarians and most of us according Bible are the Sons of Abraham.

Uhh sure. Except thinking about it for even 1 second will tell you that makes no sense since the Bible was written and re-written over a 1000 years, and at least 1000 years after Sumer was established, and 1500+ years before Abraham and 2000+ before the Bible, so the Bible is wrong. Sons come after fathers, so that makes Sumer the father. There is some truth in what you say insomuch as much of the earliest known parts of the bible are thought to be the record-making of stories from Sumer as they survived mostly by passing stories from one generation to the next. Like the flood stories.


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We know how in United Europe is hated English as not legal common language as a matter of hated fact.

No again sir. English owes it's invention to Europeans not the "English". It was created from Celtic, Germanic, Spanish and above all Latin & Greek influence in the beginning, and right from the start was meant as a cosmopolitan all encompassing language to be used universally. It was the first Indo European "language of commerce". Today it is the global "language of commerce". Historically something doesnt get fixed unless it's broke. This status as a "catch-all" and "world-wide" language has not changed in 2000+ years.

You need to get off the Bible and read some real history books. It was Sumarians, Egyptians and Indians who invented the first flood stories, mostly because in 3000BC when theses stories were first created the last ice age was coming to an end and there were floods-a-plenty and even the largest or tiniest settlements were all located near rivers. Chances are the floods they experienced dwarf the most destructive ones we have today.

Further the first Monotheist was Akhenaten, an Egyptian....again 1000 years before the Bible or Abraham or the Jews or Jesu Christi.

To promote the Bible as A) the only holy book or B) the catch-all, end-all of all history books is incredibly short sighted, vain and above all false. Sorry - just my opinion (well it's actually not just my opinion but whatever).


Finally -- just a trivial thing: "National" and "cosmopolitan" mean the direct opposite of each other.

Just sayin',
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« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2008, 08:04:15 AM »


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I presume that Bible is a Holy Book for all 4 billions so called Abraham monotheistic religious people worldwide.

Further the first Monotheist was Akhenaten.

Thats quite a bold claim.  Perhaps hes the first documented monotheist (thats assuming we are not giving scripture any historical merit whatsoever; a mistake)

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.....again 1200 years before the Bible or Abraham or the Jews or Jesu Christi..

I suppose I wouldnt point this out if not for the fact it has to do with your near name-sake.  Akhenaten was a King of the 18th Dynasty, after Abraham and his decendants, whom we could call 'Jews.'

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To promote the Bible as A) the only holy book or B) the catch-all, end-all of all history books is incredibly short sighted, vain and above all false. Sorry - just my opinion (well it's actually not just my opinion but whatever).

A fair point.  I wouldnt argue against this.

Finally -- just a trivial thing: You misspelled Akhenaten for your handle.   Wink
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« Reply #6 on: May 31, 2008, 12:08:20 AM »

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"National" and "cosmopolitan" mean the direct opposite of each other.

  It is the same as corpuscle and wave characteristics of electron and other elementary parts in quanta theory, not to mix meat and milk in Judaic but don’t refuse from them, to make quasi incompatible compatible.
National and Holly Resurrected Language symmetrical native global knowledge with out mixing in bilingual new world model. 

  This letter I have sent to European Union. 

I propose to teach all EU children Holy Resurrected Hebrew Language together with their state language natively been known.



The EU has a problem of common language.
It is the matter of fact that English is the main world lingua franca.
But all States of EU desire the equal status of all EU States’ languages in fact and not just in formal low.

There were proposals to use Esperanto – EU one of the State language bilingual model to have the common communication language of EU.
The reason – the Esperanto is no national language, it is very easy to learn and it has no ability to displace even little national language and to become a monolingual language.
But because the history of connection Esperanto with total communist international ideology most people are oppose it to be common.

There is another way to solve the problem of common EU language and to reach real religion, culture and spirit consensus and comfort.
Let us remember about Resurrection of Jesus who was Jew.
Let us remember about Resurrection of Holy Language in Israel.
Let us remember about Resurrection of Israel after Holocaust – killing of 6000000 - almost all European Jews.
Let us remember that citizens of almost all states of today’s EU actively took part in killing of Jewish people in the time of World War Two.
Let us remember that Bible is the Holy Book for Jews, Christians and Muslims and now the Holy Language of all Abraham religious and cultures people has resurrected.

Hebrew is not only the Holy Language but it is also the artfully restored language by Ben Ihuda.
It is as Esperanto the easiest language to learn.

It will be the great paradox and the real memorial of Holocaust when the Holy Resurrected Language of total been hated and been killed Jews in Europe will become the natively known language of every citizen of European Union together with the language of his definite state.   

Our God gave us: 1 Holy Book on Holy Language
2 Resurrection of Christ
3 Koran to Muhammad in Jerusalem were is written that Jewish Bible and New Testament are Holy Books
4 Holy Language Resurrection after 2500 being dead
5 Holocaust.
6 Full Resurrection of Israel after 2900 years being dead with it’s people speaking on the same language.
7 Creation of European Union after destroying fascist and communist total Soviet block as little model of future globalization with mostly monolingual citizens.

My proposal - to make EU citizens bilingual by teaching all EU children Hebrew to be natively known together with the language of their state.

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« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2008, 10:56:56 AM »

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Finally -- just a trivial thing: You misspelled Akhenaten for your handle. 

Well first off hes not really a namesake for me Smiley. I just like how it sounds. Secondly yeah I had to spell it this way when I first joined because there was already another spam-bot that took the name. It's stuck ever since.


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« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2008, 12:34:51 PM »

My proposal - to make EU citizens bilingual

There is no such thing as an EU citizen. The EU is not a state.
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« Reply #9 on: June 03, 2008, 04:39:27 AM »

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There is no such thing as an EU citizen. The EU is not a state.


What are you talking about?
It is the same as to say that USA is not a state.
Every man – the citizen of one of 27 EU states has rights to live and work in each of those states and after 4 years of living in definite state he has right to become a full rights citizen of this state.
There is only one problem EU – English language domination.

In future trilingual EU it will not be so.
People will chose absolutely free the different trilingual sets of languages for their children native teaching.
In this way it will be EU of trilinguals and every two men will have a common native language for creative communication with possibility 99%.
Monolingual children education will be forbidden.
 
Many people will chose Hebrew in trilingual native languages set for their children.
Do not forget that many people still remember their Jewish roots.   
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There is no such thing as an EU citizen. The EU is not a state.
What are you talking about?
It is the same as to say that USA is not a state.

No. The US is a state. The EU is not. The EU is a group of individual states co-operating, not a state in itself.
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« Reply #11 on: June 04, 2008, 11:25:52 AM »

No again sir. English owes it's invention to Europeans not the "English". It was created from Celtic, Germanic, Spanish and above all Latin & Greek influence in the beginning, and right from the start was meant as a cosmopolitan all encompassing language to be used universally. It was the first Indo European "language of commerce".
1. English was invented entirely in Britain by Brits.

2. Old Saxon and Old French are the largest source of words in the English language.  There are some Celtic, Latin and Greek elements certainly.  The inclusion of "Spanish" in your list above (and missing French) is what caught my attention.

3. The development of the English language owes nothing to the goal of a cosmopolitian and all encompassing language to be used universally.  That is pure hyperbole.  English may have ended up that way, but it was never intended for that purpose.  Indeed, English was not usually spoken by a majority of the English ruling class until the 18th century, and English language grammar and spelling rules were only invented in the very late 19th century (for the simple reason that English elites for hundreds of years didn't think the language was worthy of educated persons).

4. French was the 1st internationally used language of diplomacy and commerce, not English.  Hence the expression lingua Franca.

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Today it is the global "language of commerce". Historically something doesnt get fixed unless it's broke. This status as a "catch-all" and "world-wide" language has not changed in 2000+ years.
The English language is only about 1000 years old.

For most of the time period you specify, Latin or French was the most heavily used international language.

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Further the first Monotheist was Akhenaten, an Egyptian....again 1000 years before the Bible or Abraham or the Jews or Jesu Christi.
Again, not correct.

Zoroaster has the honor of being the oldest (or first) monotheist religion, predating Akhenaten/Amenhotep IV by at least 1000 years or more

Btw, it sure is amazing the way the Jews keep constantly claiming to be the oldest monotheist religion when there are two clear examples of monotheists that predate them.

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« Reply #12 on: June 04, 2008, 02:59:39 PM »

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1. English was invented entirely in Britain by Brits.

2. Old Saxon and Old French are the largest source of words in the English language.  There are some Celtic, Latin and Greek elements certainly.  The inclusion of "Spanish" in your list above (and missing French) is what caught my attention.

No. You'll notice that the first and second here contradict each other. It was already rolling for years before the "English". Do you really think that English derived from Latin and Greek, uses the latin alphabet but was invented only 1000 years ago in Britain? Not trying to be an asshole here just asking you to think about that. Latin, Greek and German are English's parents. Old French and Old Saxon were simply coexisting with old Englsh. Naturally words were exchanged but since even those have latin and greek backgrounds...

The bold part in that quote is the part that's backwards imo. Most of the English words originate from German, latin and greek probably in that order. When one considers how much of French was directly influenced by Latin the idea of saying tha t one came from the other is a little off imo. The very fact that English originates from ...how many languages have we mentioned so far?...proves it evolved as a catch-all mongrel of a language that was used by most as a second language to their native tongue.


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3. The development of the English language owes nothing to the goal of a cosmopolitian and all encompassing language to be used universally.  That is pure hyperbole.  English may have ended up that way, but it was never intended for that purpose.  Indeed, English was not usually spoken by a majority of the English ruling class until the 18th century, and English language grammar and spelling rules were only invented in the very late 19th century (for the simple reason that English elites for hundreds of years didn't think the language was worthy of educated persons).

If you follow proto-English and "old English" you'll see it was already in use between the peoples of the Mediterranean, Germany and Scandinavia.

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The English language is only about 1000 years old.

For most of the time period you specify, Latin or French was the most heavily used international language.
Beowulf, (900AD) is "old English" and has nothing to do with Britain. The language was already in use for centuries at that time.

That language a, b or c may be most heavily by population used does not make it "international", or we'd be speaking Chinese. English is a mongrel language born from the others. It is fair to point out though how many each influence the other. Britannia came, most likely, from Roman mispronouncing Praetanii which was a label laid on the Celts by a greek. Praetanni, became Britanii.


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4. French was the 1st internationally used language of diplomacy and commerce, not English.  Hence the expression lingua Franca.
Fair enough, at least in an official capacity later in history. However defacto it was old and proto English before that.

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Zoroaster has the honor of being the oldest (or first) monotheist religion, predating Akhenaten/Amenhotep IV by at least 1000 years or more

Fair enough, and thanks. Never heard of this. But the point I made about monotheism is only more valid then.



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When English was being born, all writers in it were also writers of Latin. Latin words came into English from the first, and many were added later. Spanish was created among Latin speakers who had to communicate with Goths when they joined together to fight the Arabs, and Spanish contains many concessions to Visigothic habits (as well as later Arabic influences). English words with Latin antecedents arrived by several routes. Some were present when English was created; some entered through Norman French and other languages, some were coined later, and some are cognates (cousins, not descendants) like the prepostion in. English was, I believe, created as a common means of communication for a country of many languages, but, after 1066, with one Latin-literate court.

http://mysite.du.edu/~etuttle/classics/latin/latin1.htm

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« Reply #13 on: June 18, 2008, 04:25:52 PM »

No. You'll notice that the first and second here contradict each other. It was already rolling for years before the "English". Do you really think that English derived from Latin and Greek, uses the latin alphabet but was invented only 1000 years ago in Britain? Not trying to be an asshole here just asking you to think about that. Latin, Greek and German are English's parents. Old French and Old Saxon were simply coexisting with old Englsh. Naturally words were exchanged but since even those have latin and greek backgrounds...
No, I don't want to quibble about which other language forms the largest influence on 'old English' vs 'middle English' vs 'modern English.  I'll certainly grant that latin itself is a more 'elder parent' than French and that French is very latin-ish to begin with.  I don't really have any dispute with you about the point of origin of English language.  We are certainly agreed that English is a bastard/mongrel language.  I never meant to suggest otherwise.

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If you follow proto-English and "old English" you'll see it was already in use between the peoples of the Mediterranean, Germany and Scandinavia.

This is apparently where we are in disagreement.  As far as I understand the history of English, the early phase known as "old English" is the period of 5th century up to 1066.  That is the language of Beowulf.  It essentially developed as a vernacular language for the Angles and Saxons in England and that's about it.

I've found no references of this 'old English' language being used as a 'bridge' language for any third parties at that point in history - apart from the obvious connection with northern Germany and Denmark (from whence the Angles and Saxons came).  The only reference to the language in terms of the Mediterranean I can find would be the Vangarian Guard of the Byzantine Emperors and that's it.  In this last respect, it was always customary for Roman Emperors to have a private bodyguard made up of elite foreign/barbarian warriors. 

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The English language is only about 1000 years old.

The 'middle English' beginning with the Norman conquest is the language of Chaucer and this is the particular phase I was referring to with my point about English being about 1000 years old.  That is to say, from a modern perspective (and a lay reader), the language of Chaucer can be very challenging indeed, but the language of Beowulf is utterly incomprehensible to anyone not trained to it.

That being said, you are most certainly correct that 'old English' obviously is much older than 1000 years. 

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Beowulf, (900AD) is "old English" and has nothing to do with Britain. The language was already in use for centuries at that time.
As noted above, I don't dispute the age of 'old English'.  However I must insist that 'old English' still has everything thing to do with being a British language.  That's where it was created, that's where it was used, that's where it grew to become the language we use today.  Certainly lots of other languages have had a large influence, but to say 'old English' has nothing to do with Britain just defies my comprehension.

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That language a, b or c may be most heavily by population used does not make it "international", or we'd be speaking Chinese. English is a mongrel language born from the others. It is fair to point out though how many each influence the other. Britannia came, most likely, from Roman mispronouncing Praetanii which was a label laid on the Celts by a greek. Praetanni, became Britanii.
I don't dispute this.  I only have disputed your assertion that English, whether that be 'old English' or 'middle English', served as any kind of international language prior to the modern era.  It certainly served as a common language for various peoples in Britain, no doubt of that, but I just don't see much evidence of its usage outside of Britain by non-Brits (using these terms loosely here).

As far as I understand western European history of the 5th to the 15th century, only Latin and later French could possibly be asserted to have any substantial currency as an international language in Europe at that time period.  Certainly not 'old English' except perhaps in some pockets on the outer edges of Europe.

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Fair enough, and thanks. Never heard of this. But the point I made about monotheism is only more valid then.
Yes, I'm sure we are entirely in agreement on the entire lack of merit in the idea expressed in the OP.

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When English was being born, all writers in it were also writers of Latin. Latin words came into English from the first, and many were added later. Spanish was created among Latin speakers who had to communicate with Goths when they joined together to fight the Arabs, and Spanish contains many concessions to Visigothic habits (as well as later Arabic influences). English words with Latin antecedents arrived by several routes. Some were present when English was created; some entered through Norman French and other languages, some were coined later, and some are cognates (cousins, not descendants) like the prepostion in. English was, I believe, created as a common means of communication for a country of many languages, but, after 1066, with one Latin-literate court.
I never disputed that English originates as a common means of communication in 'dark ages' Britain.  I have only objected to your assertion of the substantial international usage of the language at that time period. 

As far as I'm concerned, English's rise to international stature doesn't really begin until the industrial revolution and didn't really become dominant until WW2.

My apologies for continuing this topic digression about the history of English, but it is a more interesting topic than the OP.
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