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« Reply #30 on: June 01, 2008, 03:52:39 PM » |
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There is no chance for peace with the continuous aggressive Israeili policies. The Basics of any peacfull solution should include Palestinians return to their villages, towns & cities from where they were expelled since 1948. In addition, Israel should declare a constitution, accept Jerusalem return to arab solidarity & apply a serious policy to get rid of its nuclear armour. Without these, no peace may be looked for in the middle east.
So just roll back all the arab mistakes of the last 60 years with not culpability for arabs, and just start over? Sounds like a good deal for someone... Exactly... How ridiculous for us to think that 60 years of Arab violence, terrorism, and a culture of jihad should have any consequences... Because we all know, had the Arabs won their wars in '48, '67, etc destroying Israel, they surely would have given Israel back.... right?? lol  |
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« Reply #31 on: June 01, 2008, 05:43:06 PM » |
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all the arab mistakes of the last 60 years what were the "mistakes" ? Resisting a Zionist overtake of Arab land? Do you call it a "mistake" to resist a burglar in your house? Would you see it as a "mistake" to resist a supposed Soviet invasion of the US? a culture of jihad "a culture of jihad" is a culture of expelling foreing invaders. A culture of Zionism is a culture of invading foreing lands. There were people who LIVED there, and people who DIDN'T live there. What kind of sick excuse can you invent for the latter to trample the former? |
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« Reply #32 on: June 01, 2008, 06:16:47 PM » |
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... There were people who LIVED there, and people who DIDN'T live there. What kind of sick excuse can you invent for the latter to trample the former?
OHHH ... is THAT what happened Peisi... lol Another oversimplified justification to excuse terrorism... You're doing well Peisi... lol |
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« Reply #33 on: June 01, 2008, 07:14:30 PM » |
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you have a different version of the events? I thought it was about one country contested by two peoples. One of them was local and the other was alien. I thought local people normally had a primary right in such occasions.
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« Reply #34 on: June 01, 2008, 08:22:31 PM » |
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You mean 'alien' like you are in Canada, 'alien' like Irish in US or like half Arab (Arab yes the ones from Saudi Arabia and not from Congo or Niger) population of North Africa ? There were Jews in Israel much before Arabs and along with Arabs and will live after Arabs. If Arabs could come from Saudi Arabia (as many of those imaginary 'Palestinians' did) to live in Israel, Jews could do the same. What matters is partition palns of UN and Arabs response to those, wars from Arabs and their looses.
You are one retarded fock Peisi who just pimp slapped his own illogical existence. Get a fuck from Canada before you spell the world 'occupation' in contexts you give it on daily basis.
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« Reply #35 on: June 02, 2008, 12:46:51 AM » |
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To all israelis who participated on this thread. One question.
Do you really envisage peace when your own government continues with these belligerent expansion policies and perhaps illegal settlements into the OT? Surely one can see that the result of such policies will only escalate into more uncertainty and mayhem.
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« Reply #36 on: June 02, 2008, 04:16:59 AM » |
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[/quote] Exactly... How ridiculous for us to think that 60 years of Arab violence, terrorism, and a culture of jihad should have any consequences... [/quote] - Edgar O'Ballance, a military historian, writes ''Israeli vans with loudspeakers drove through the streets ordering all the inhabitants to evacuate immediately, and such as were reluctant to leave were forcibly ejected from their homes by the triumphant Israelis whose policy was now openly one of clearing out all the Arab civil population before them …. From the surrounding villages and hamlets, during the next two or three days, all the inhabitants were uprooted and set off on the road to Ramallah…. No longer was there any "reasonable persuasion". Bluntly, the Arab inhabitants were ejected and forced to flee into Arab territory…. Wherever the Israeli troops advanced into Arab country the Arab population was bulldozed out in front of them'' Lots of accidents & proofs are recorded showing that 750,000 Palestinians were expelled from their homes between 1947 and 1949. In addition, 13,000 Palestinians were killed, 418 Palestinian villages were completely depopulated, and half of all villages in Palestine were physically destroyed.Again, The legimacy of the Palestinians return right is not based only on the fact that they were expelled from their tritories by force but mainly on the Different UN resolutions starting from resolution no 191 & subesequent demanding reolutions.  A photo showing a palestinian terrorist throwing stones on the innocent israeili tank. |
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« Reply #37 on: June 02, 2008, 05:46:40 AM » |
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You want oversimplification?
OK.
Palestine/Israel whatever the hell you want to call it was a spoil of war....blame the Ottoman Turks for siding with Germany.
You (residents of Ottoman soil) lost the war....and as such are like every other conquered people on the planet.
The victors drew lines in the conquered sand as they saw fit.
Israel was created because the victors wanted it so.
Palestinians are sore losers and don't know how to behave like a conquered people like those belonging to the rest of history.....so continue to cause their people to live in poverty.......
Imagine if all the energy used for "jihad" was used for education, commerce, development, treaties, peace, prosperity, and infrastructure....
Well one can dream, right?
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Battle is the most magnificent competition in which a human being can indulge. It brings out all that is best; it removes all that is base. All men are afraid in battle. The coward is the one who lets his fear overcome his sense of duty. Duty is the essence of manhood
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« Reply #38 on: June 02, 2008, 06:47:08 AM » |
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You want oversimplification?
OK.
Palestine/Israel whatever the hell you want to call it was a spoil of war....blame the Ottoman Turks for siding with Germany.
You (residents of Ottoman soil) lost the war....and as such are like every other conquered people on the planet.
The victors drew lines in the conquered sand as they saw fit.
Israel was created because the victors wanted it so.
Palestinians are sore losers and don't know how to behave like a conquered people like those belonging to the rest of history.....so continue to cause their people to live in poverty.......
Imagine if all the energy used for "jihad" was used for education, commerce, development, treaties, peace, prosperity, and infrastructure....
Well one can dream, right?
Your statement coicides with these words dropping from the Führer ''Hitler claimed that nations that could not defend their territory did not deserve it. He thought “slave races”, like the slavic peoples, to be less worthy to exist than leader reaces. In particular, if a master race should require room to live , he thought such a race should have the right to displace the inferior .'' No human group should displace another group from a country for a historical or any other reason. Your argument is an execuse for Fasciests policies. Palestinians are the brothers of Algerians. They represent all the poor people in their struggle for freedom & Independence againest the evil policies of racism, descrimination & Zionism. Zionists will never prevail.  A photo for a palestnian girl who was checked while trying to reach a school. What a crime! |
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« Reply #39 on: June 02, 2008, 07:16:48 AM » |
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Reductio ad Hitlerum.
Congratulations....you win the 3rd grade debate today.
Too bad your tactic does nothing to refute your conquered status.
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Battle is the most magnificent competition in which a human being can indulge. It brings out all that is best; it removes all that is base. All men are afraid in battle. The coward is the one who lets his fear overcome his sense of duty. Duty is the essence of manhood
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« Reply #40 on: June 02, 2008, 07:24:33 AM » |
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Do you call it a "mistake" to resist a burglar in your house? No, I don't think when Israeli invasions meet with resistance that this is a mistake. However, should I go into the burglar's neighborhood and detonate myself on his child's schoolbus taking as many schoolchildren as I can with me all in the name of some bent and sick Jihad.....now that would be a mistake. |
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« Reply #41 on: June 02, 2008, 07:56:57 AM » |
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Reductio ad Hitlerum.
Congratulations....you win the 3rd grade debate today.
Too bad your tactic does nothing to refute your conquered status.
Check the above photo of the boy who is facing the tank. Although his fathers have lost some battles & wars, He is not conquered. He is fighting back even with a stone. Check my avatar, this young girl is holding her father house key which is located in Jaffa. This young girl is not conquered. she will return home. Today the palestinians form 20% of the inhabitants of palestine within the green borders. In 2070, Arabs will be more than the jews. No need for rush. We may wait but these youngesters shall prevail. The fight is not ended yet. |
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« Reply #42 on: June 02, 2008, 08:34:39 AM » |
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Good luck with little boys and girls throwing stones.
Since all your income goes to stone gathering, it is no wonder you don't realize hurling children at battle tanks shows just how conqured you really are....maybe put a little money toward education and a reality check.
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Battle is the most magnificent competition in which a human being can indulge. It brings out all that is best; it removes all that is base. All men are afraid in battle. The coward is the one who lets his fear overcome his sense of duty. Duty is the essence of manhood
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« Reply #43 on: June 02, 2008, 08:53:26 AM » |
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To all israelis who participated on this thread. One question.
Do you really envisage peace when your own government continues with these belligerent expansion policies and perhaps illegal settlements into the OT? Surely one can see that the result of such policies will only escalate into more uncertainty and mayhem.
As only Israeli on this forum i do think that our nationalist radicals should live along with Palestinian radicals. I don't care for peace, there is no such thing like peace for me. What we have with Egypt is delayed war nor peace treaty. So i would rather keep radicals playing their games with Arabs when normal ppl will develop my country for the next challenge. |
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« Reply #44 on: June 02, 2008, 08:53:30 AM » |
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Jeez. Just asked a simple question and look how this thread has turned out...
Thanks for the input guys. Keep it up.
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