Yeah reality check for now maybe but the question is how long can it be maintained before it gets worse... To me this is a dire vicious circle and it is only gonna get worse. I just do not buy into this concept of 'might makes things right'. Well does it?

The question still stands. Let me rephrase this.

How far can Israel continue with the expansion policies and illegal settlements into OT? How many more innocent palestinians and israelis have to die for these miscalculated policies?

In the days of "annhilating" your enemy it did.

We're too "PC" now.

"Might makes right" when the enemy is annhilated....no one left standing to bitch.....you should be thankful you live in the 21st Century.

Nevermind being too "PC" here may I say that what you are implying tanamounts to genocide sir! I think we have witnessed a few of those in the 20th century to be reminded again. Now you should be thankful you are living in 21st century.
And as for the enemies where is the line ever gonna be drawn in the sand? First Hammas then Hezobollah, then Fatah, palestinians, syrians? No wait whilst at it let's throw in a few more countries into the basket. That way nuclear armed Israel with her exapnsionist policies might feel safe.

You bring it upon yourself.

Lay down your arms, accept peace....avoid annhilation as previously conquered people.

Religious baiting?

How quaint.

No.....my conclusions come from studying history and an understanding of military realities.

LOL... Here you go again Peisi...

Do you REALLY want to go over the factual history once again??  I'd be happy to refresh your memory (and back it up with facts I can support) if you'd like...

"Arab land"??  Hmmm... And how and when did it become "Arab land" Peisi??  How did those Arabs get there in the first place??

Are you going to tell me again how simply living somewhere makes it somehow yours... ignoring "real world" applications and numerous "real world" examples to the contrary??

Please... Peisi... Share with this forum the long, rich history of those who today claim refugee status in Palestine... Tell us how it was "their land" even though the Ottoman/Turkish empire,... rulers of that land dating back to 1517 (250+ years piror to the USA's birth, for persepctive) didn't recognize it as such, ...nor did the League of Nations assigned leadership After WWI... I anxiously await your historical facts... Then please share with us how the evil Jews "trampled" (your word)... the peace loving Arabs who'd been there for hundreds, if not thousands of years... Then maybe you'd like to share how your ideology deals with the Jews in surrounding Arab land who were ousted and lost their land and possessions...  Are you going to lobby those Arab neighbors to "make whole" the Jews??  Maybe, by your ideology, those ousted Jews could go back to those Arab nations and form their own nations within them, in the areas where they made a majority... Right Peisi??  lol

If you'd like to debate THE FACTS... again... I'm only to happy to... but for now,  I think I'll close with a few quotes from an X (self admitted) Palestinian Terrorist who did some homework and thought he would speak out against the lies and hatred he was taught:

I never claimed I was a militarist or a general for that matter just anoutsider with serious concern on the last few responses on this thread.


Well based on the responses I have had so far I am pretty convinced that pretty much sums up why Israel is in such a mess.


Excuse me sir it was you who suggested using force upon your enemy to the point of annihilation based on your school of thoughts. I am simply suggesting that annihilation tanamounts to genocide which no one can refute. Furthermore I suggested earlier that sometimes the policies of a country are exactly the very reason to breed more extremism in an already volatile region. Israels decision to expand settlement in the occupied territory is one of those policies. Yet you seem rather convinced that you can annihilate all the enemy from hammas to gradually the whole muslim population that are uprising against your foreign policy based on some historical connotations to save Israel. IMO the biggest enemy to the state of Israel is the zionism policies that they hace pursued for decades.