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« Reply #15 on: May 08, 2008, 11:13:33 AM » |
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Abu Ghraib, Gitmo, extraordinary rendition, ... Since I don't have the energy to go down that road, let's keep the discussion domestic and to Americans. |
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« Reply #16 on: May 08, 2008, 11:25:55 AM » |
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You think voting a black man into office is going to take away that guilt and hurt? Many do, I suppose.
I don't.
Wow you surprise me NR ...do you really think every one who is voting for Obama is "voting for a black man"?? There are perhaps some who are but I am looking for someone who is willing to return the democracy to a representative government that is sensitive and responsive to the needs and the will of the people. The ethnicity of the person that message comes from has NOTHING to do with why I support him. Apparently all you see when you look at Obama is a black man??? And we support him to erase some kind of guilt about how blacks are treated?? You are closer to Reaganite than I imagined ...you are being racist. I said I would call it when I saw it... I just didn't think it would be you. |
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« Reply #17 on: May 08, 2008, 11:28:27 AM » |
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Really.. Is that why he is working on a back room deal to actually take away a representative leadership from the teamsters? A deal that will allow them to return to the 60's and 70's where they were basically the funding source and money washers for the mob?
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« Reply #18 on: May 08, 2008, 11:35:13 AM » |
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Wow you surprise me NR ...do you really think every one who is voting for Obama is "voting for a black man"??
There are perhaps some who are but I am looking for someone who is willing to return the democracy to a representative government that is sensitive and responsive to the needs and the will of the people. The ethnicity of the person that message comes from has NOTHING to do with why I support him. Apparently all you see when you look at Obama is a black man??? And we support him to erase some kind of guilt about how blacks are treated?? You are closer to Reaganite than I imagined ...you are being racist. I said I would call it when I saw it... I just didn't think it would be you. No sir. I have seen over and over (mostly from the Hillary supporters, of course) his race coming up. And I absolutely do believe that his race has had an impact. As a matter of fact, in my opinion, the huge minority turnout was one of the big reasons he won NC by the margin he did. It has been reported as so. Am I saying people are casting votes for him because of his race? Absolutely I am. I don't know how that makes me a racist, though. |
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« Reply #19 on: May 08, 2008, 12:42:26 PM » |
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Kinda makes ya sam Hrmmm... no? Well maybe not since the mesiah seems to be coated in teflon when it comes to stories like this.
No. And he's not coated in teflon it's just that Bush set a new bar for bullcrap. So the teamsters like him. So what? So his preacher is a big mouth. So what? So he rides the SUV provided for him by the secret service. So what? All this "mud" and "damaging stories" are pretty laughable, even without comparing to Bush. Like I say, if this is the best you guys can come up with Obama will be the next prez and McCain will go back to meaning "french fry". Ahk |
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« Reply #20 on: May 08, 2008, 12:53:41 PM » |
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Kinda makes ya sam Hrmmm... no? Well maybe not since the mesiah seems to be coated in teflon when it comes to stories like this.
No. And he's not coated in teflon it's just that Bush set a new bar for bullcrap. So the teamsters like him. So what? So his preacher is a big mouth. So what? So he rides the SUV provided for him by the secret service. So what? All this "mud" and "damaging stories" are pretty laughable, even without comparing to Bush. Like I say, if this is the best you guys can come up with Obama will be the next prez and McCain will go back to meaning "french fry". Ahk No the teamsters dont like him persay the teamsters have him in thier pocket.. he has promised to let them go back to their glory days of corruption. Obama is not going to be running againts Bush, so ANYONE BUT BUSH is not a good way to go abou this race. |
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« Reply #21 on: May 08, 2008, 02:02:07 PM » |
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so ANYONE BUT BUSH is not a good way to go abou this race. i agree, but that's not what I said. You can't just bury the nightmare because he can't run any longer. I believe Bush & Co and the last 8 years have eclipsed both McCain and Obama. Obama may not really be a Messiah but McCain's going to have to start looking like one before the, "inspector Crusoe-meets-Darth Vader", persona can be wiped off the rep. Party. Just an honest observation/appraisal. Naturally I could be wrong. Ahk |
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« Reply #22 on: May 08, 2008, 03:16:37 PM » |
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so ANYONE BUT BUSH is not a good way to go abou this race. i agree, but that's not what I said. You can't just bury the nightmare because he can't run any longer. I believe Bush & Co and the last 8 years have eclipsed both McCain and Obama. Obama may not really be a Messiah but McCain's going to have to start looking like one before the, "inspector Crusoe-meets-Darth Vader", persona can be wiped off the rep. Party. Just an honest observation/appraisal. Naturally I could be wrong. Ahk understood, but remeber Mr McCain has gone against Bush and against his own Party. he almost left his party in 2002!! If he is smart enough to pick and OUTSIDE washington VP.. he can structure this campaign as real change... he can say - "i am not afraid of confrontation! I an not afraid to go againt what my party leaders may have thought was best when I think its good for america!" and Obama cannot... he has never voted in opposition to his party on any bill, and has a 100% liberal rating! Obama will have to pick someone like god forbid Hillary, Kerry, Edwards, Gore etc etc etc... he needs and established person like clinton needed in 1992. which makes him the Washington candidate.... |
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« Reply #23 on: May 08, 2008, 06:20:37 PM » |
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Ther eis plenty of substance but it gets ignored by the MSM. Lets look at this "substance" they choose to ignore Teamster bask room deal... Wow Barack is in favor of working people having unions Land deal in which he doubled his land for almost no cost.. He must have taken one of those infomercial seminars on late night TV His pork requests This would prove he is not a Muslim (they don't eat pork) the Rev white All reved up and no traction His wife not being proud of her country I always understood that pride was a sin ...anyway its not him its his wife! His racist use of the term "typical white people" Its the phraseology, Had he said "average non ethnic Americans" reaganites feelings probably wouldn't have been hurt so badly. If these are the substantive issues in a presidential election then the National Enquirer must be important classical literature to Bonzonite. |
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« Reply #24 on: May 09, 2008, 02:10:06 PM » |
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I think it's a shame she feels that way. We are not perfect but, then again, when was the last time we saw military vehicles rolling the streets looking to put down a riot. We don't have torture chambers and rape rooms. We don't pull people out of churches for worshiping the wrong God.
We have it SO good in this country I can only compare it to a rich kid who is jerked for getting a BMW when he explicitly asked for a Hummer.
It is too easy to take what we have for granted.
I don't compare us to the worst of the world, or to anybody else for that matter. I hold this country, and its leaders, to the highest of standards. Hell, we don't even measure up to the standards this country was built upon. So spare me the "we have it so good" crap. A lot of people in this country can't say that. |
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« Reply #25 on: May 09, 2008, 05:11:22 PM » |
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I think it's a shame she feels that way. We are not perfect but, then again, when was the last time we saw military vehicles rolling the streets looking to put down a riot. We don't have torture chambers and rape rooms. We don't pull people out of churches for worshiping the wrong God.
We have it SO good in this country I can only compare it to a rich kid who is jerked for getting a BMW when he explicitly asked for a Hummer.
It is too easy to take what we have for granted.
I don't compare us to the worst of the world, or to anybody else for that matter. I hold this country, and its leaders, to the highest of standards. Hell, we don't even measure up to the standards this country was built upon. So spare me the "we have it so good" crap. A lot of people in this country can't say that. Some people base their pride on just being born on a chunk of land and others base their pride on what the people and leaders of that chunk do or don't do. There are plenty of Afghanis who are proud of their country. Doesn't mean it is a good country. |
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« Reply #26 on: May 09, 2008, 06:37:21 PM » |
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So spare me the "we have it so good" crap. A lot of people in this country can't say that. I've got a friend from Iran you should talk to. Our 'poor' on the world stage is a joke. 'Poor' here means you've only got one car and two color TVs. |
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« Reply #27 on: May 09, 2008, 06:59:37 PM » |
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So spare me the "we have it so good" crap. A lot of people in this country can't say that. I've got a friend from Iran you should talk to. Our 'poor' on the world stage is a joke. 'Poor' here means you've only got one car and two color TVs. The world stage is a joke. Like I said, my standards are higher than the basement of the world. And considering what we could do, we are executing poorly. |
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« Reply #28 on: May 09, 2008, 07:11:52 PM » |
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The world stage is a joke. Like I said, my standards are higher than the basement of the world. And considering what we could do, we are executing poorly. I'm glad they are higher...so are mine. We can work together to build this country a little better every day. If one is a 'producer', he is helping build this country bigger and better. If one is a 'non-producer', then he is making this country weaker. We need more 'producers.' |
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« Reply #29 on: May 09, 2008, 07:17:36 PM » |
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The world stage is a joke. Like I said, my standards are higher than the basement of the world. And considering what we could do, we are executing poorly. I'm glad they are higher...so are mine. We can work together to build this country a little better every day. If one is a 'producer', he is helping build this country bigger and better. If one is a 'non-producer', then he is making this country weaker. We need more 'producers.' Agreed. |
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