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SoulWrangler
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« on: May 08, 2008, 09:33:30 PM »

As Im sure you are all aware, Obama has a great lead among the African Americans. Here are the leads in a few states: Percentages of black voters voting obama-

NC: 92%
IN: 90%
AL: 83%
PA: 85%
TX: 85%
OH: 88%

Now, they were saying on npr a few days ago how there was racism at play in the whites in Indiana because Obama had lost the white vote 40-60%. What Im proposing is that the feeling of blacks that Obama would better represent their issues, which is why he is getting such support amongst them, as no white candidate has ever gotten 90% of the white vote, is racist. So how do yall feel about racially motivated voting? For or against?
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« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2008, 09:44:55 PM »

It's up to each person who they support.  And why  I fail to see racism in this race so far.
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« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2008, 09:57:51 PM »

Because of the large divide between blacks and everyone else about who they support, with african americans generally voting for Obama. Im not saying that if they were voting issue based itd be a problem, but I dont feel that 90% of any group could realistically agree with all the issues any one person puts down. Because hes a member of their race, and because its such an issue in the campaign makes me think that racism by blacks, wanting to see another black in office is the cause of his large support. The racism is in choosing based on race. And if you say its because they percieve hes gonna give preferential treatment/policies or represent them in a different way because theyre black, then I also accept that as an acceptance of racism.
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« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2008, 03:26:47 AM »

Can you blame them?
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« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2008, 04:15:11 AM »

Well, it doesn't help that Hillary's campaign alienated black voters when Bill made his dumbass comments in SC.

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« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2008, 06:00:44 AM »

Because of the large divide between blacks and everyone else about who they support, with african americans generally voting for Obama. Im not saying that if they were voting issue based itd be a problem, but I dont feel that 90% of any group could realistically agree with all the issues any one person puts down. Because hes a member of their race, and because its such an issue in the campaign makes me think that racism by blacks, wanting to see another black in office is the cause of his large support. The racism is in choosing based on race. And if you say its because they percieve hes gonna give preferential treatment/policies or represent them in a different way because theyre black, then I also accept that as an acceptance of racism.

I've have never heard anyone in over 200 years ask why has all American presidents, thats right 100% have been white. Now there is actually an legitimate candidate that is non-white running and people come up with this crap. Did your ignorants ass know that african-americans only make up 14% of the population in the US? So even with this high turn out of black voters he has to be getting majority of votes from others. Yes, you guessed it, he is getting them from whites, the ones that are not racist like yourself and reaganite that keep throwing around black voter numbers to stir up the subject. I mean honestly, do you think its ok for someone to say that the only reason Hillary is still in it is because she is white?
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« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2008, 06:17:23 AM »

Machioveli: Not all the other votes come from white. They come from a multitude of different ethnicities and races, including hispanic peoples, latinos, asians and others. There are also people of more than one race, such as Barack Obama. Also, your charge of my having racism bears little credence as I am not putting down anyone. You dont even know the color of my skin. Thomas Sowell is black, and I dont doubt at all that he holds similar views as my own.

That said, I take the things into account that you are saying. Numbers dont lie. No candidate has ever gotten this sort of support from any demographic. 92% is amazing. Your contribution is that my recognition that there has to be some reason for this as being racist... thats just silly. If you can tell me that you dont think his race has anything to do with this, that if he was white, then your point may be well taken, but dont insult me when you dont know me. Your assumptions about a person you dont know show more hostility and lack of clear understanding that is key in separating us from people who would discriminate based on race. Im on your side, so cool it, dave.
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« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2008, 06:23:42 AM »

Machioveli: Not all the other votes come from white. They come from a multitude of different ethnicities and races, including hispanic peoples, latinos, asians and others. There are also people of more than one race, such as Barack Obama. Also, your charge of my having racism bears little credence as I am not putting down anyone. You dont even know the color of my skin. Thomas Sowell is black, and I dont doubt at all that he holds similar views as my own.

That said, I take the things into account that you are saying. Numbers dont lie. No candidate has ever gotten this sort of support from any demographic. 92% is amazing. Your contribution is that my recognition that there has to be some reason for this as being racist... thats just silly. If you can tell me that you dont think his race has anything to do with this, that if he was white, then your point may be well taken, but dont insult me when you dont know me. Your assumptions about a person you dont know show more hostility and lack of clear understanding that is key in separating us from people who would discriminate based on race. Im on your side, so cool it, dave.

exactly the point to insult you. He is half white/half black but all you see is the color of his skin so he is black and I will leave it at that
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« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2008, 06:27:56 AM »

Just to make it clear, what is it about my argument that you find wanting? Is it that you think Im a racist, or that you find some fault in it? There is a pattern, and unless youre willing to understand that race is a part of it then youre not going to be able to think about it in an objective manner.
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« Reply #9 on: May 09, 2008, 06:36:17 AM »

I am a black republican and voting for McCain. But excuse me if I get upset when you call blacks voting for Obama racist.
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« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2008, 06:43:08 AM »

You dont seem to be able to do anything but spout out irrelevant information. This is not a case study of you. It is the study of numbers across a large scale. Numbers do not lie, and race is a relevant and prevalent factor in this presidential candidacy. I doubt you could speak for all black people more than I could given a lack of information, but the information is right before you. I appreciate that you dont agree with me, but calling me a racist doesnt refute the evidence.
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« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2008, 06:54:53 AM »

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I am a black republican and voting for McCain. But excuse me if I get upset when you call blacks voting for Obama racist.

Now let's hold up just a second. IF...if if if....someone is voting FOR or AGAINST someone based on race, that, by definition, is 'racist' because one is considering race. We use the term 'racist' only to define hate and it's usually only with regard to white on black hate.

But the word goes beyond that.
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« Reply #12 on: May 09, 2008, 06:58:00 AM »

You dont seem to be able to do anything but spout out irrelevant information. This is not a case study of you. It is the study of numbers across a large scale. Numbers do not lie, and race is a relevant and prevalent factor in this presidential candidacy. I doubt you could speak for all black people more than I could given a lack of information, but the information is right before you. I appreciate that you dont agree with me, but calling me a racist doesnt refute the evidence.

Ha! You are sitting up here throwing numbers around like they are relevant. Give blacks, no give whites one good reason to vote for Hilliary. Its not because he is black but simply because of who he is running against. Had it been Edwards, Biden, or someone else it would have been much closer. Hilliary is a bitch and no one likes her, it has nothing to do with race and Obama is in for a wake up call when he faces McCain.
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« Reply #13 on: May 09, 2008, 07:14:43 AM »

Not so. Other races show very different numbers, and certain numbers of blacks also voted for her, as you can see here:

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/scorecard/

In North Carolina for example, where 34% of the population was black, with 92% of the black democrats voting for obama, it would only require that 28% of the rest of the population vote for him. McCain is irrelevant also, and it would seem Clinton is well liked enough to keep getting delegates. Some people must like her. Also, I dont feel shes appealing as a candidate, but do feel that shes better than obama, though McCain is the least bad.
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