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« Reply #30 on: May 13, 2008, 11:23:31 AM »

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they definitely need to be investigated and the constitution needs to be upheld

Is there evidence of wrong doing or is this a fishing expedition?
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« Reply #31 on: May 13, 2008, 11:44:34 AM »

 Here is a post I recently read by a Denver Lawyer who wishes to remain anonymous :
 
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The posturing of advocates for immunity notwithstanding, whether the administration's requests were in violation of the applicable laws was not a close question. Although this has largely been flushed down the memory hole, Qwest refused to cooperate with the government and demanded that proper legal procedures be followed before it would proceed. Qwest's attorneys did not think that the government's proposed course of action was even arguably within the scope of the law. AT&T and Verizon (whose combined revenues last year were approximately $150 billion) could easily have consulted with qualified counsel and determined the same thing. Contrary to the breathless hysteria about cooperating with the government in "emergencies," the program at issue was developed over several months and operated for multiple years, requiring the involvement of hundreds, if not thousands, of people. It was not the situation of a police officer running up to an individual on the street and saying that he or she must do something NOW with no opportunity for reflection or consultation.

I should also add that I primarily do defense work and therefore am generally sympathetic to allegations of meritless claims, over the top punitive damage awards, etc. However, there is a very fundamental problem with any party getting a law changed to retroactively immunize it for unlawful conduct that it has all but confessed to. When the parties seeking immunity are multi-billion dollar corporations that have donated lavishly to members of Congress, it becomes even more troubling and damaging to people's confidence in the justice system. Indeed, there's a term for countries in which the wealthy can purchase immunity for themselves: "banana republic".
  He pretty well sums up the situation from a legal point of view.
 To compleat your metaphor neue, there is no need to go on a fishing expedition when the "fish" have already jumped in the boat trying to convince you that they should not be caught.

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« Reply #32 on: May 13, 2008, 11:51:08 AM »

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  He pretty well sums up the situation from a legal point of view.

How can an attorney in Denver, without the benefit of one minute of testimony, make a judgment?

ps: I find it amusing his implication of Congress...a Democrat controlled Congress, at that.
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« Reply #33 on: May 13, 2008, 12:18:21 PM »

 He was giving legal opinion on the legality of a published practice not making judgement on a specific case.
 The word you seem to be searching for  in your last sentence is Democratically controlled congress. You have mistakenly used the noun for the adverb. You see the verb in the sentence is "controlled" and an attempt to modify a verb with a noun really makes no sense. Its just bad grammer.
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« Reply #34 on: May 13, 2008, 12:22:37 PM »

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The word you seem to be searching for  in your last sentence is Democratically controlled congress. You have mistakenly used the noun for the adverb. You see the verb in the sentence is "controlled" and an attempt to modify a verb with a noun really makes no sense. Its just bad grammer.

I'm so turned around to what that 'other party' wants to be called that I can't even see straight...sorry!!
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« Reply #35 on: May 13, 2008, 12:59:49 PM »

 Its a common, though commonly intentional, mistake made often by otherwise well spoken pundits of the right wing. It is a slap in the face of the "other party" intentionally denying that the the root of the word Democrat is democracy, at the expense of good grammer. Although as a member of that other party I would not discourage conflating the party affiliation with the process.
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« Reply #36 on: May 13, 2008, 01:05:52 PM »

Funny thing is, is started typing 'Democratically' and then thought...no...that's not right. It's 'Democratic' controlled.

But isn't it both since Congress is controlled because of an election that was done 'democratically' and is held by the party of 'Democrats?'

See...turned around!!   Cheesy
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« Reply #37 on: May 13, 2008, 04:55:04 PM »

Yes, a Democratically controlled congress is controlled by the Democrats who were elected democratically.( Note the use of capital D or small d changeing the meaning from party to process.)
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