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Author Topic: War dead cremated at facility for pets  (Read 235 times)
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« Reply #15 on: May 12, 2008, 04:14:15 PM »

Well, being from DE (though away over the weekend, I missed the daily paper), I looked into this online at the archives.

THIS is a more detailed account of what's been happening:

Quote from: The News Journal
U.S. military officials and directors from a Dover funeral chapel met today amid controversy and concern over the handling of service members’ cremations by a facility that also does pet cremations.

Gary Wallick, funeral director at Torbert Funeral Chapel, said he and other staffers took military officials on a tour of the facility, showing them their procedures and answering questions.

“They seemed very satisfied with the way that we do things,” Wallick said.

After concerns were raised by an Army soldier visiting Dover, the Air Force on Friday ordered a halt to the use of the off-site crematory and said bases should use only crematoriums located at licensed funeral homes.

Torbert’s cremation facility is about two miles from its main funeral home.

Pet cremations are conducted in a separate area of the building, away from human remains.

There. That should settle everything.
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« Reply #16 on: May 16, 2008, 06:30:16 PM »

The difference is whether the cremation is taking place at a licensed funeral home. We should show dignity and make sure things are handled properly, instead of allowing corners to be cut. What really strikes me about it is that it wasn't noticed until someone went to a cremation. This implies to me that many of these men were forgotten.

This is not important to the fallen, they are gone. It is important to the rest of us. It was not them, but us who were denied dignity when this happened.
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« Reply #17 on: May 16, 2008, 06:45:44 PM »

The difference is whether the cremation is taking place at a licensed funeral home.

They were.

"Gary Wallick, funeral director at Torbert Funeral Chapel, said he and other staffers took military officials on a tour of the facility, showing them their procedures and answering questions.

'They seemed very satisfied with the way that we do things,' Wallick said."


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We should show dignity and make sure things are handled properly, instead of allowing corners to be cut.

They did.

"Pet cremations are conducted in a separate area of the building, away from human remains.

'We’re very sensitive and respectful of the military,” Wallick said. “We’re honored to play a part in that, and I hope that continues.'

The Pentagon also ordered a review of its cremation policies and practices. There have been no complaints or accusations that the funeral chapel mixed up or commingled human and animal remains."


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What really strikes me about it is that it wasn't noticed until someone went to a cremation. This implies to me that many of these men were forgotten.

What strikes me is that the issue went so far up the chain of command before ANYone thought to ask around. The guy litorally saw a sign for pet cremations and complained.

The bodies were respectfully cremated AWAY from facilities used to cremate the remains of pets.

The issue was simply overblown.

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This is not important to the fallen, they are gone. It is important to the rest of us. It was not them, but us who were denied dignity when this happened.

No one was denied anything.
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« Reply #18 on: May 16, 2008, 08:04:02 PM »

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As a result, in 2001 Air Force officials contracted with two local funeral homes to perform cremations, including with Torbert Funeral Chapels and Crematories, which oversees the facility managed by Bose, and another crematory that is located with a funeral home.

Air Force Secretary Michael Wynne directed Friday that the service "cease using the off-site crematory, use only crematory facilities that are co-located with licensed funeral homes, and have a military presence during the off-base process at the funeral-home facilities," Morrell said.

The site of the cremations in question was not at a licensed funeral home, it was different facility. TBH, I don't really see how directing them to use the funeral home instead of the facility labeled for pets is blowing anything out of proportion. I know that if I were responsible for the funeral of someone I cared about and respected, I would have it done at the funeral home and I would be present. IMO, these things should have been requirements from the beginning.

Though, I do agree with the logic that this is a small issue relative to treatment of our living servicemen and veterans.
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« Reply #19 on: May 16, 2008, 08:26:41 PM »

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TBH, I don't really see how directing them to use the funeral home instead of the facility labeled for pets is blowing anything out of proportion.

Because they weren't ever using sites that are usually used to cremate pets to begin with. The 2 complexes are totally seperate.
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« Reply #20 on: May 16, 2008, 09:21:52 PM »

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TBH, I don't really see how directing them to use the funeral home instead of the facility labeled for pets is blowing anything out of proportion.

Because they weren't ever using sites that are usually used to cremate pets to begin with. The 2 complexes are totally seperate.

They were using the pet crematory site. The bodies were cremated in different equipment, in a different part of the building, but it was the same facility. The two complexes (the funeral home and the offsite crematory) are separate, but they were using the offsite facility.



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“They seemed very satisfied with the way that we do things,” Wallick said.

After concerns were raised by an Army soldier visiting Dover, the Air Force on Friday ordered a halt to the use of the off-site crematory

The fact that the Air Force ordered a halt to the use of the off-site facility suggest that they were not in fact satisfied with the way the company was doing things.
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