Stephen Hero
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« Reply #15 on: May 14, 2008, 02:18:29 PM » |
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Wow.
My wife only graduated high school -- what are you saying?
My grandfather worked everyday of his life from when he was fourteen until his body couldn't work anymore at the age of 92. He farmed until he was 88 years old. He didn't go to college either but he was one of the best men I've ever known. He didn't even graduate high school.
I think you place too much importance on diplomas.
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Abraxas
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« Reply #16 on: May 14, 2008, 04:46:47 PM » |
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How did I know this was going to happen... Wow.
My wife only graduated high school -- what are you saying? I'm not saying anything. In fact, I took special care to say, "the people *I* know" as to avoid what you think I'm saying. The other people, aside from my aunt, turned out very poorly. My sister, for instance, has 2 kids at the age of 25 and a boyfriend (also never went to college) who works 6 months out of the year with parents who never went to college and are barely living off the meager income the wife makes (the husband doesn't work)... ... and my sister is a waitress at a crap-hole resteraunt with ZERO motivation to excel. My other friends who didn't go to college? Not a whole lot better. At least they don't have kids. My grandfather worked everyday of his life from when he was fourteen until his body couldn't work anymore at the age of 92. He farmed until he was 88 years old. He didn't go to college either but he was one of the best men I've ever known. He didn't even graduate high school. Your grandfather sounds like a great man (when you say "framed", do you mean framed pictures?) but with all due respect, he grew up in a VERY different time. I think you place too much importance on diplomas. Not I, sir. The system. |
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- Hunter S. Thompson
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« Reply #17 on: May 14, 2008, 05:21:26 PM » |
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My sister, for instance, has 2 kids at the age of 25 and a boyfriend (also never went to college) who works 6 months out of the year with parents who never went to college and are barely living off the meager income the wife makes (the husband doesn't work)...
... and my sister is a waitress at a crap-hole resteraunt with ZERO motivation to excel. I think you just said something incredibly profound without even knowing it and you're EXACTLY right in saying it. Your sister DID several things that got her into her situation. 1. had 2 kids too young (for her) with a 2. deadbeat boyfriend and isn't 3. motivated The result? Crap-hole job making squat. NO politician is going to change that...none. Think about conservative values and think how that might help one avoid that very situation. ps: I stepped in it too at 25. Took me years to get out of it but I was motivated. |
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Abraxas
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« Reply #18 on: May 14, 2008, 05:30:24 PM » |
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I'm not surprised you jumped on that. Remember, I'm a little bit conservative sometimes, which probably lead me to cite those things in the first place  . Sadly, I can't blame her lack of a college education on any lack of money. My sister and I were left with quite a bit of money after a family member passed away, which has garnered quite a bit of intrest over the last 18 years. She squandered it. She had the oppurtunity... and just drove right by it. Anyway... I'm going OT. My bad. |
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Either you repeat the same conventional doctrines everybody is saying, or else you say something true, and it will sound like its from Neptune.
- Noam Chomsky
... you can almost see the high water mark - that place where the wave finally broke and rolled back.
- Hunter S. Thompson
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« Reply #19 on: May 15, 2008, 06:57:27 AM » |
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tell her to apply for federal aid and it should work out.  |
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Stephen Hero
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« Reply #20 on: May 15, 2008, 11:23:57 AM » |
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I'm not saying anything. In fact, I took special care to say, "the people *I* know" as to avoid what you think I'm saying. The other people, aside from my aunt, turned out very poorly. My sister, for instance, has 2 kids at the age of 25 and a boyfriend (also never went to college) who works 6 months out of the year with parents who never went to college and are barely living off the meager income the wife makes (the husband doesn't work)...
... and my sister is a waitress at a crap-hole resteraunt with ZERO motivation to excel.
My other friends who didn't go to college? Not a whole lot better. At lest they don't have kids. I'm sorry the people that you know aren't getting along better. Your inadequate qualifications of the statement aside, basically your implication is that people that didn't go to college aren't, and can't be, role models. That is positively false. My grandfather worked everyday of his life from when he was fourteen until his body couldn't work anymore at the age of 92. He farmed until he was 88 years old. He didn't go to college either but he was one of the best men I've ever known. He didn't even graduate high school. Your grandfather sounds like a great man (when you say "framed", do you mean framed pictures?) but with all due respect, he grew up in a VERY different time. What? If you're going to be a jerk about typo's, at least be a jerk about typos and be right about it. My grandfather was a farmer. He farmed until he was 88. I never said "framed" not did I mean it. He farmed. And is it too much trouble to get the post-name correct? Stephen Hero is much different that Super Hero. Not I, sir.
Yes, you. You're the one that said people in your family that didn't have diplomas couldn't be good role models. You said nothing about the system. *You* place too much importance on diplomas. |
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« Reply #21 on: May 15, 2008, 11:35:11 AM » |
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Qualifications for Role models need to be based on character not on academic achievement. I know some PHDs who are absolute slime balls. I also know some minimum wage workers who have personalities and values I would be proud to emulate.
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Abraxas
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« Reply #22 on: May 15, 2008, 11:40:09 AM » |
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I'm sorry the people that you know aren't getting along better. Your inadequate qualifications of the statement aside, basically your implication is that people that didn't go to college aren't, and can't be, role models. That is positively false. I never said they "can't be". I said by-and-large, many of them aren't. It's incredibly hard to go anywhere without a college education in todays society. I'm not saying it's necessary. I'm saying the people that don't either work EXTREMELY hard to succeed or they don't... and sadly, the majority of them don't. What? If you're going to be a jerk about typo's, at least be a jerk about typos and be right about it. My grandfather was a farmer. He farmed until he was 88. I never said "framed" not did I mean it. He farmed. And is it too much trouble to get the post-name correct? Stephen Hero is much different that Super Hero. Look, I know your pissed at me, but please understand I seriously thought you wrote "framer". I asked if he was a framer because my father is a framer - but I see now that you wrote "farmer". Also... can you blame for the other mistake? It was a boo-boo and I'm sorry. Yes, you. You're the one that said people in your family that didn't have diplomas couldn't be good role models. You said nothing about the system. *You* place too much importance on diplomas. ... don't you think the system makes them who they are? Don't you think the reason my sister can't get a good job (aside from her laziness) is because she doesn't have a degree? Don't you think that unless a person shows an extreme passion for what they do and motivate themselves are at a loss without a college education? Your wife and grandfather worked EXTREMELY hard to get where they are and they're excellent role models. But they are also the exception. Also, understand that I'm not saying people with college degrees are great role-models either. |
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Either you repeat the same conventional doctrines everybody is saying, or else you say something true, and it will sound like its from Neptune.
- Noam Chomsky
... you can almost see the high water mark - that place where the wave finally broke and rolled back.
- Hunter S. Thompson
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« Reply #23 on: May 15, 2008, 12:38:31 PM » |
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Qualifications for Role models need to be based on character not on academic achievement. I know some PHDs who are absolute slime balls. I also know some minimum wage workers who have personalities and values I would be proud to emulate.
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« Reply #24 on: May 15, 2008, 02:25:01 PM » |
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I'm sorry the people that you know aren't getting along better. Your inadequate qualifications of the statement aside, basically your implication is that people that didn't go to college aren't, and can't be, role models. That is positively false. I never said they "can't be". I said by-and-large, many of them aren't. It's incredibly hard to go anywhere without a college education in todays society. I'm not saying it's necessary. I'm saying the people that don't either work EXTREMELY hard to succeed or they don't... and sadly, the majority of them don't. What? If you're going to be a jerk about typo's, at least be a jerk about typos and be right about it. My grandfather was a farmer. He farmed until he was 88. I never said "framed" not did I mean it. He farmed. And is it too much trouble to get the post-name correct? Stephen Hero is much different that Super Hero. Look, I know your pissed at me, but please understand I seriously thought you wrote "framer". I asked if he was a framer because my father is a framer - but I see now that you wrote "farmer". Also... can you blame for the other mistake? It was a boo-boo and I'm sorry. Yes, you. You're the one that said people in your family that didn't have diplomas couldn't be good role models. You said nothing about the system. *You* place too much importance on diplomas. ... don't you think the system makes them who they are? Don't you think the reason my sister can't get a good job (aside from her laziness) is because she doesn't have a degree? Don't you think that unless a person shows an extreme passion for what they do and motivate themselves are at a loss without a college education? Your wife and grandfather worked EXTREMELY hard to get where they are and they're excellent role models. But they are also the exception. Also, understand that I'm not saying people with college degrees are great role-models either. Well, I at least, know what you were saying before the those with inferiority complexes jumped all over you. It is not exactly bragging to say, "the least educated like me best." Geez... |
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« Reply #25 on: May 15, 2008, 06:55:12 PM » |
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Aren't there a lot of white people without degrees?
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Irwin
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« Reply #26 on: May 16, 2008, 09:06:31 AM » |
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Aren't there a lot of white people without degrees?
Um, yeah, if you come from a low income family of any race your chance of having a degree is 6%. If you come from a wealthy family of any race, your chance of having a degree is 51%. http://www.usatoday.com/news/education/2005-02-02-college-cover_x.htmGot nothing to do with race. |
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tadpol
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« Reply #27 on: May 16, 2008, 03:18:09 PM » |
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I didn't mean percent of white people, I meant percent of voters. I understand there are a lot of whites and a lot of people without degrees, so I'd figure being strong with whites who don't have degrees means something good.
Though upon further review her lead there doesn't look like enough to beat his lead basically everywhere else so it's not important.
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