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realityman
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« on: May 14, 2008, 02:59:34 PM »

I wish he'd be more clear as to his intentions... Does he like Israel or not.??.. It's so hard to tell...  Grin Grin Grin

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Ahmadinejad: Israel anniversary won't save it from 'annihilation'
Wednesday, May 14, 2008

Hard-line Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad says Israel is dying and that celebrations marking the 60th anniversary of its creation won't save the Jewish state from "annihilation."

Iran doesn't recognize Israel, and Ahmadinejad has repeatedly called for Israel's destruction.

His remarks coincided with the arrival of U.S. President George W. Bush in the Middle East to celebrate Israel's 60th birthday and try to energise peace efforts complicated by a corruption scandal that could topple Prime Minister Ehud Olmert.

Opposition to Israel is a fundamental principle in Shi'ite Muslim Iran, which backs Palestinian militants opposed to peace with the Jewish state.

"The Zionist regime is dying," Ahmadinejad said in a speech in the northern city of Gorgan, referring to Israel. "The criminals imagine that by holding celebrations ... they can save the Zionist regime from death."

"They should know that regional nations hate this fake and criminal regime and if the smallest and briefest chance is given to regional nations they will destroy (it)," said Ahmadinejad, who often rails against Israel and the United States.

A 2005 statement by Ahmadinejad saying that "Israel should be wiped off the map" outraged the international community.

Last month, a senior Iranian army commander said Iran will respond to any military attack from Israel by "eliminating" it, in comments condemned by Washington.

Iran, the world's fourth-largest oil producer, says it has developed ballistic missiles able to hit Israel and U.S. bases in the region.

Some analysts have speculated that Israel might attack Iran to stop its nuclear activities, which the West fears are a front for weapons development.

Iran, which does not recognise Israel, insists it wants nuclear technology only for electricity.

Washington says it wants a diplomatic resolution to the nuclear dispute but has not ruled out military action if that fails. Tehran insists it will not bow to Western pressure.

http://www.metro.co.uk/news/world/article.html?in_article_id=147644&in_page_id=64
 

I say we send in "Jimmy"... He and Ahmadinejad can talk... and then we can all rest comfortably after "Jimmy" assured us of their peaceful ideals...  Grin Grin Grin

At least Ahmadinejad does HONESTLY speak his mind... as Hamas does in their Covenant, and as Hitler did  70 years ago... THE QUESTION IS... IS ANYONE REALLY LISTENING (??)
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« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2008, 07:10:00 AM »

I believe his latest pronouncement was that Israel is a "stinking corpse."

Give credit where credit is due.  He wears his hatred of the Jewish state on his sleeve.  It's not hidden.
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« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2008, 11:17:03 AM »

Where is kactus with Israeli 400 nuclear warheads ?
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« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2008, 11:39:27 AM »

This guy is trying to build his popularity on the hatred of Israel.
Soon he will sounds as oldfashioned as Fidel Castro.

Now that it's clear for everyone that Hamas (let alone Hezbullah) is a puppet in the hands of external, oil-rich powers... the muslim of the street won't be moved that much.
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« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2008, 11:44:02 PM »

Ahminijude clearly wins Bin Laden in that competition. I don't know why but i want a war with Iran, better way to start it just to blow off their nuclear power plants for a change.
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« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2008, 04:04:26 AM »

Where is kactus with Israeli 400 nuclear warheads ?

LOL Grin. You sound just like 'Prophet'. Go n' figure.
btw if you were honest ENOUGH you would have quoted me correctly about those numbers. I said Israel is alleged to have between 200-400 nuclear warheads at their disposal. Not that it's matters to the topic being discussed. Roll Eyes

http://www.itsallpolitics.com/forum/index.php?topic=1854.msg53757#msg53757

Or maybe we should have american style democracy installed in Iran just like the current one in Iraq. hmmm! Let's not go that far.  Grin
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« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2008, 06:33:27 AM »

Actually the FAS report you are getting that info from suggests it's highly improbable that Israel has more than 200 nuclear warheads. While it maybe easy to hide a warhead the conveyance of these weapons (missiles) is much harder to hide, suggesting further that Israel's potential capability is even less than that.

Considering China likely has under 300, (and why would Israel need more than 50?) I don't think it's likely either.


Not getting between you and mdma there, just sayin',

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Iran, the world's fourth-largest oil producer, says it has developed ballistic missiles able to hit Israel and U.S. bases in the region.

Well I don't even know why they print this when they've had a capability to hit Israel and the region (including Pakistan or Afghanistan) with nuclear/chemical capable missiles for almost 10 years already. I suppose the writer feels it's important to stress "new" development as though the crisis were "developing" but Iran has had this capability for quite a while.

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« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2008, 07:20:41 AM »

Ahk,

Strictly speaking Metro is a daily free tabloid paper in London. The articles written by writers in there are quite short and do tend to over-sensationalise the old news. It is typically read when you are on a short journey on London tube and perfect source for gossips and recycling old news. Whilst I am not rejecting what the paper has/ hasn't said it's not exactly the best source for quality information.  
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« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2008, 07:24:42 AM »

Wasn't criticizing your sources, just adding that in.
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« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2008, 10:01:55 AM »

as the months go by I don't think the question that will Isreal or the US attack Iran becomes a question, but instead which fox hole will we pull this idiot out of? Where is the IAEA? first they tell me they don't have a nuclear program, now they tell me they have one but its not for producing weapons. Half the people in Iran live in huts and mud houses, how the hell will they benefit from nuclear energy?
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« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2008, 10:39:35 AM »

Hard to understand why?

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CIA and MOSSAD help form and train SAVAK, the internal security apparatus of the Shah. CIA provides SAVAK with lists of Communists who the Savak would either imprison or execute.

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The CIA worked with the Mossad and SAVAK to covertly support uprisings of Iraqi Kurds in 1975 to destabilize Pre-Saddam Iraq.

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It was alleged by private intelligence agency Stratfor, based on "sources close to Israeli intelligence", that Dr. Ardeshir Hosseinpour, a scientist involved in the Iranian nuclear program, was killed by the Mossad on January 15, 2007.

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A US intelligence official told The Washington Post that Israel orchestrated the defection of Iranian general Ali Reza Askari on February 7, 2007. This has been denied by Israeli spokesman Mark Regev. The Sunday Times reported that Askari has been a Mossad source since 2003, and left only when his cover was about to be blown.

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In July 1973, Ahmed Bouchiki, an innocent Moroccan waiter in Lillehammer, Norway, was killed while walking with his pregnant wife. He had been mistaken for Ali Hassan Salameh, one of the leaders of Black September, the Palestinian group responsible for the Munich massacre, who had been given shelter in Norway. The Mossad agents had used fake Canadian passports, which angered the Canadian government. Six Mossad agents were arrested, and the incident became known as the Lillehammer affair.

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In 1997, two Mossad agents were caught in Jordan, which had signed a peace treaty with Israel, on a mission to assassinate Sheikh Khaled Mashal, a leader of Hamas, by spraying him with poison at a pro-Hamas rally in Amman. Again, they were using fake Canadian passports. This led to a diplomatic row with Canada and Jordan. Israel was forced to provide the antidote to the poison and to release around 70 Palestinian prisoners, in particular the Hamas leader Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, in exchange for the Mossad agents, who would otherwise have faced the death penalty for attempted murder.

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By the mid 1970s, Israel's relations with South Africa had warmed. In 1975, increasing economic co-operation between Israel and South Africa was reported, including the construction of a major new railway in Israel, and the building of a desalination plant in South Africa. In April 1976 South African Prime Minister John Vorster was invited to make a state visit, meeting Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin. Later in 1976, the 5th Conference of Non-Aligned Nations in Colombo, Sri Lanka, adopted a resolution calling for an oil embargo against France and Israel because of their arms sales to South Africa. In 1977, South African Foreign Minister Pik Botha visited Israel to discuss South African issues with Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin and Foreign Minister Moshe Dayan.

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In 1981, Israeli Defence Minister Ariel Sharon visited South African forces in Namibia for 10 days, later saying that South Africa needed more weapons to fight Soviet infiltration in the region.

In 1984, Pik Botha again visited Israel but this time only for an unofficial meeting with Israeli Foreign Minister Yitzhak Shamir.

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U.S. Intelligence believed that Israel participated in South African nuclear research projects and supplied advanced non-nuclear weapons technology to South Africa during the 1970s, while South Africa was developing its own atomic bombs. According to David Albright of the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, "Faced with sanctions, South Africa began to organize clandestine procurement networks in Europe and the United States, and it began a long, secret collaboration with Israel." although he goes on to say "A common question is whether Israel provided South Africa with weapons design assistance, although available evidence argues against significant cooperation." According to the Nuclear Threat Initiative, in 1977 Israel traded 30 grams of tritium in exchange for 50 tons of South African uranium and in the mid-80s assisted with the development of the RSA-3 ballistic missile.  Also in 1977, according to foreign press reports, it was suspected that South Africa signed a pact with Israel that included the transfer of military technology and the manufacture of at least six atom bombs.

Chris McGreal has claimed that "Israel provided expertise and technology that was central to South Africa's development of its nuclear bombs". In 2000, Dieter Gerhardt, Soviet spy and former commander in the South African Navy, claimed that Israel agreed in 1974 to arm eight Jericho II missiles with "special warheads" for South Africa.

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Double standard: Iran has said that the double standard applied to Israel is unjust and disturbing given its possession of nuclear weapons, its non-adherence to the NPT, and its treatment of the Palestinians over many years. Israel has unofficially stated it needs to have nuclear weapons to assure its survival in a predominantly hostile Middle East environment, since its independence in 1948 and following the Holocaust. Iran has responded that Arabs and the Middle East should not bear responsibility for crimes against humanity and atrocities committed by the Nazis during World War II against the Jews in Europe.
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« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2008, 10:49:04 AM »

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I said Israel is alleged to have between 200-400 nuclear warheads at their disposal.
200-400 = -200
So, Israel is in minus with their nukes. It means that they don't only have none, but are in debt of nukes (to the US, South Africa?) for an amount of 200.

...or did you mean 200~400...?

Seriousely,
Iran doesn't need nukes. If they don't want war, they just have to not build them.
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« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2008, 10:55:46 AM »

Wow! Israel has more fireworks than Chinese, wowow. Even though production there is much cheaper.
Now we will show them, hahahaha.

We should invite Israel-haters like kactus to raise the overall confidence.
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