SoulWrangler
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« Reply #15 on: May 16, 2008, 06:09:57 AM » |
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What is it in your neocon pinhead that makes you think the balance of power in the senate and house will remain as it is now Bonzonite? As Americans have come to realize how incompetent and wrong headed the GOP is and has been the shift will be dramatic. Obamas congress will be more progressive than any seen in recent memory. The Mississippi election where the GOP held the seat since 1994 wasn't even close. It was but a harbinger of the congressional changes to come.
Progressivism... progress is one of the worst words today in common culture. It lacks utility. Same as change. We could progress towards having a society where the currency was turnips. We could change the laws so that half of all people had the right to pick out the eyes of the other half. These things mean nothing. Stop using those words. The only people that fall for these broad, undefined notions are fools. Single issues and policies are what we need to debate about, and youre not doing it. |
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« Reply #16 on: May 16, 2008, 09:26:35 AM » |
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Personally I think Edwards is a mistake...
Obama should distance himself from him... but that's not happening.
Hell, some people are already calling him Obama's VP...
A mistake? How would that be? |
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« Reply #17 on: May 16, 2008, 09:37:43 AM » |
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A little history lesson from Wiki' for the arrogantly ignorant and uninformed, like soulwrangler Progressivism is a term that refers to a broad school of international social and political philosophies. The term progressive was first widely used in late 19th century America, in reference to a general branch of political thought which arose as a response to the vast changes brought by industrialization, and as an alternative both to the traditional conservative response to social and economic issues and to the various more or less radical streams of socialism and anarchism which opposed them. Political parties such as the American Progressive Party organized at the start of the 20th century, and progressivism made great strides under American presidents Theodore Roosevelt, William H. Taft, Woodrow Wilson, and Franklin Delano Roosevelt.[1]
Progressivism historically advocates the advancement of workers' rights and social justice. The progressives were early proponents of anti-trust laws, regulation of large corporations and monopolies, as well as government-funded environmentalism and the creation of National Parks and Wildlife Refuges. |
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Abraxas
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« Reply #18 on: May 16, 2008, 09:56:28 AM » |
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Personally I think Edwards is a mistake...
Obama should distance himself from him... but that's not happening.
Hell, some people are already calling him Obama's VP...
A mistake? How would that be? Edwards is too easy of a target. |
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Either you repeat the same conventional doctrines everybody is saying, or else you say something true, and it will sound like its from Neptune.
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« Reply #19 on: May 16, 2008, 09:58:31 AM » |
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Personally I think Edwards is a mistake...
Obama should distance himself from him... but that's not happening.
Hell, some people are already calling him Obama's VP...
A mistake? How would that be? How? Edwards is too easy of a target. |
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« Reply #20 on: May 16, 2008, 10:01:08 AM » |
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His $400 hair cut, his ambulance chaser mentality, the fact that he couldn't even carry his own state in 2004...
If Obama REALLY wants to be intresting, he'll pick a Republican. Hagel comes to mind, but I have to see if his voting record would be compatible.
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Either you repeat the same conventional doctrines everybody is saying, or else you say something true, and it will sound like its from Neptune.
- Noam Chomsky
... you can almost see the high water mark - that place where the wave finally broke and rolled back.
- Hunter S. Thompson
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« Reply #21 on: May 16, 2008, 10:11:44 AM » |
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His $400 hair cut, his ambulance chaser mentality, the fact that he couldn't even carry his own state in 2004...
If Obama REALLY wants to be intresting, he'll pick a Republican. Hagel comes to mind, but I have to see if his voting record would be compatible.
Hagel would be an excellent pick, IMHO. Of course there has also been talk of McCain picking Lieberman. If both of those happened things would really be interesting!  OswaldTheOsprey |
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« Reply #22 on: May 16, 2008, 10:27:32 AM » |
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His $400 hair cut, his ambulance chaser mentality, the fact that he couldn't even carry his own state in 2004...
Hold on, there. 1) He wasn't the top of the ticket in 2004. The top of the ticket was a Massachusetts Dem in a very red state, when Bush was still the Godking of Republicans. 2) "Ambulance chaser mentality" is an empty slogan, not a reason. You have to a) demonstrate said mentality and b) show that said mentality is known enough and effective enough as an anti-Edwards tool. Since that was not much of a factor in 2004, nor this year when he beat Hillary in Iowa, I think you are projecting your personal hatred of him on America. 3) A $400 hair cut? That's it. You really think that is enough fuel to fire the rage against Edwards? You got anything with legs? Speculating about him being vice, is a waste of time. He won't do it. |
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« Reply #23 on: May 16, 2008, 11:09:50 AM » |
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Speculating about him being vice, is a waste of time. He won't do it. VP no ... but AG? I believe he would jump at it, and I believe Obama will offer. What do you think Irwin?? |
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SoulWrangler
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« Reply #24 on: May 16, 2008, 11:20:16 AM » |
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freethinker, progressivism my ass. Those things you listed arent singularly good, and if you think so then youre a fool. Besides, progressivism is not only a contradictory statement but its also an ideology which harms people at least as much as it helps. The word too lacks utility and you know damn well that its as common a slogan as change. Now, I live in a "progressive" state, Massachusetts. Where I live is in a tourist community that by the progressive ideals is keeping a large segment of the population from being able to afford housing. This also decreases the amount of population that is available to start new businesses, and the younger lot here are spending here what would be a third as much anywhere else in the country (except in maybe california) on housing. And national parks, they should be privatized. Sure, put some regulations on them, but privatized none the less. People would go after them to make them parks, as theyd still be money making, plus they wouldnt be federally subsidized. Heres to your progressive ideals that are keeping young families from being able to afford a decent lifestyle, freethinker.
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« Reply #25 on: May 16, 2008, 12:06:03 PM » |
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Soulwrangler;
You said that progressive was just a word as though I made it up and used the term without "utility". I took the time to teach you that it is, and has been, a strong political movement in the US for nearly a century. My prediction of a more progressive congress is based on observations that the political tide has turned back towards that populist movement.
I suspect that starting a business or buying a home would be difficult in any state right now due to the recession brought on by a so called "conservative" period in domestic leadership.
If you are against, workers rights, social justice, anti trust legislation, environmentalism and the National Parks system that is your prerogative. Perhaps you would be happier living in a less progressive state than Massachusetts, although I can't think of one where you could be free from these deeply American principals and ideals...at least not in this country.
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« Reply #26 on: May 16, 2008, 12:15:55 PM » |
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I suspect that starting a business or buying a home would be difficult in any state right now due to the recession brought on by a so called "conservative" period in domestic leadership. To be accurate, we not in a recession and have not been since March 2001, one full month after Bush took office. |
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« Reply #27 on: May 16, 2008, 12:52:15 PM » |
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I suspect that starting a business or buying a home would be difficult in any state right now due to the recession brought on by a so called "conservative" period in domestic leadership. To be accurate, we not in a recession and have not been since March 2001, one full month after Bush took office. Whose definition of "recession" are you using neue? |
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« Reply #28 on: May 16, 2008, 12:55:07 PM » |
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A definition is not up for debate...it is what it is... A period of general economic decline; specifically, a decline in GDP for two or more consecutive quarters. We haven't even experienced one quarter of negative growth, let alone two. |
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« Reply #29 on: May 16, 2008, 02:17:13 PM » |
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I do believe there is some debate amoung economists as to what constitutes a recession and that it is only a matter of time, at this point, until all are in agreement. What should it be called then when all average hardworking Americans are economicly strapped and Wall street remains relatively healthy? How would you feel if I refered to it as a depression? de·pres·sion /dɪˈprɛʃən/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[di-presh-uhn]
–noun 1. the act of depressing.
6. dullness or inactivity, as of trade.
7. Economics. a period during which business, employment, and stock-market values decline severely or remain at a very low level of activity. No time frame required in the definition of the word "depression". Semantics aside wouldn't you agree that the economy is in some deep do-do and shows no sign of improvement? |
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