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« on: May 15, 2008, 07:13:45 AM » |
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Not content with merely living in foul pollution themselves, the Chinese now think it is fit and proper that they should pollute other countries as well. Chinese filth is so prevalent, noxious, and voluminous that you can see it from the Earth's orbit. Beijing, famous for a thick smog that covers the city, has approximately 100 "blue-sky" days per year. It's no wonder that Olympic athletes refuse to train there and the Chinese government is embarrassed and trying to move athletic venues. Chinese pollution, rolling rampant over Korea and Japan, now threatens North America as they continue to belch forth their disgusting pollution. http://geology.com/nasa/monitoring-pollution-by-satellite.shtmlChina should clean up its act. It's shameful enough that their own citizens have to live in that filth, they shouldn't be permitted to pollute clean countries. China should be responsible for all costs associated with cleaning up its filth and all health problems that result from its failure to do so.
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« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2008, 06:04:09 PM » |
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your first thread was trashed please read why, otherwise, we are going to have a problem if you continue to break the rules
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« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2008, 11:40:00 PM » |
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Considering the fact China mostly produces for us, the 'West'. We, the 'West' should blame our companies that move industry to China in first place. Just to make it easier for you to understand think of what would happen if Chinese government forces anti-polluting policies within China. You will end up with DVD that costs twice than before, you will cry again, industry will move to Hanalulu and then circulating around the globe.
So if you wish to fight, fight large companies that produce possible pollution and not just China because Chinese like any other normal human at first place want their foods on the table.
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« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2008, 12:12:17 AM » |
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I ask again: how the hell is China otherwise supposed to develop? We in the UK had a phase of doing precisely the same thing. London used to be a disgustingly filthy place in Victorian times. Just read Dickens.
In time, as China develops, it may well develop environmental technology good not only for them, but for all of us.
Give them time for heaven's sake. They were tearing each other apart 30 years ago. They've come a hell of a long way.
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« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2008, 03:19:27 AM » |
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Available technology was a little different during "Dickens time".......
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« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2008, 04:04:25 AM » |
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Yes, this is very reason why UK moved all it's polluting factories to China.
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« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2008, 06:20:43 AM » |
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I ask again: how the hell is China otherwise supposed to develop? We in the UK had a phase of doing precisely the same thing. London used to be a disgustingly filthy place in Victorian times. Just read Dickens.
In time, as China develops, it may well develop environmental technology good not only for them, but for all of us.
Give them time for heaven's sake. They were tearing each other apart 30 years ago. They've come a hell of a long way.
What a terrible response. If the Chinese are happy to live in filth and pollution, fine. It's not like they have any freedom to criticize their government and tell them to do otherwise. The enslaved Chinese population just has to bend over and take it from their government. If the dictators say: "We're building a chemical factory right next to your river" there's nothing the people can do to stop it -- despite it being "The People's" government. Yeah, right. So ok. Pollute away, destroy your own environment. Half of China is already a desert and the Chinese are doing a hell of a job and making their whole country a desert. Beijing already has sandstorms that paralyze the city. The point of the thread was that China should at least make efforts to keep its filth and its trash within its own borders, instead of making Korea and Japan, and North America, for that matter, as dirty and disgusting as the Chinese environment. Japan is an amazingly clean country. China should follow the Japanese leaders. Japan sets an excellent example for China to follow. Japanese technology is decades ahead of Chinese technology; perhaps the Chinese should acquire some of the technology from the Japanese, who manufacture high-quality goods with minimal pollution.
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« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2008, 06:29:01 AM » |
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Japan is amazingly clean country because it moved all the most polluting factories to China.
Stephen Hero get your facts straight, you act like an ignorant fool.
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« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2008, 06:33:14 AM » |
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Wrong. Japan is clean because it has a government that is responsible to its citizenry. And those citizens don't stand for the awful pollution that is belched out by the Chinese factories. The Chinese citizens are essentially prisoners to their government. They have no power to object or set local standards. If the Beijing dictators put a power plant next to an elementary school, they can't object. Further, the Chinese government standards are so low that it's atrocious. It's not foreign factories that pollute the country, sir.
I have opened two production facilities in China. Foreign companies are held to a very high standard. It's your local, domestic state-owned competitors that are free to pollute without concern.
How many production facilities have you opened in China? Get your facts straight.
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« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2008, 06:53:12 AM » |
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Chinese destruction of their environment isn't limited to dumping their pollution into the environment and causing Korea and Japan to be polluted as well. The Chinese government is so ravenous for resources that it has consumed most of the water causing the Gobi desert to advance towards Beijing, which is now regularly plagues with sandstorms. Beijing, at least in 2006, only had 56 blue-sky days per year. Terrible. http://www.pacificenvironment.org/article.php?id=1461According to the article, since the sandstorms usually hit in May and June, they are confident that the Olympics in August will be unaffected. What a joke. I love the part of the article where, after a 10-day sandstorm, the Communist thugs in government say, "Hm, maybe we should do something..."
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« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2008, 10:32:19 AM » |
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Chinese want to produce as cheap as possible. They don't invest money in the environement. And if Western owned factories polute there, it's the fault of the Chinese governement which allows that.
I'm personaly ready to pay more for stuffs like dvd player (which you buy only once in a while anyway) if it pays for better social and environemental wellbeing of those who did it.
But I already don't buy Chinese products anymore (at least when it's possible), especialy not DVD players. Now, I always avoid low-end cheap stuffs, hoping that by paying more I won't have to move it back to the garantee service or go buy a new one after the garantee expired.
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« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2008, 10:51:47 AM » |
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Fred, you right but the truth is Chinese government has two choices either their ppl starve to death or pollute themselves / us. Chinese government chooses the thing any government would. I expect China will be cleaner in 10 more years. It must be worldwide pressure but never forget we are also to blame for Chinese pollution of the earth.
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« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2008, 01:12:31 PM » |
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your first thread was trashed please read why, otherwise, we are going to have a problem if you continue to break the rules
Please explain how the revised title continues to "break the rules." I understand why the first title could be interpreted as in violation of the Posting Rules, although that was not my intent. I quickly and without objection modified the title and reposted with the approval of Ahkenaten. So I am very curious why another moderator views the revised title as in violation of any rule. Please advise.
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« Reply #13 on: May 16, 2008, 01:26:40 PM » |
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I think he just wants you to know why the first one was trashed, not implying that there's stilll something wrong with the title now.
It's done and over. No biggie. Nothing personal; no one's saying you're the bad guy; it coulda happened to anyone so lets just continue, ok?
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« Reply #14 on: May 16, 2008, 07:41:38 PM » |
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Fred, you right but the truth is Chinese government has two choices either their ppl starve to death or pollute themselves / us. Chinese government chooses the thing any government would. I expect China will be cleaner in 10 more years. It must be worldwide pressure but never forget we are also to blame for Chinese pollution of the earth.
Exactly. Also there's something a bit unfair about westerners expecting China not to develop. Are they mean to just sit around in mud huts? 30 years ago they had the cultural revolution. Now even poor Chinese people have electricity, running water, televisions, DVD players. It's not a third world country any more. They have food on the table. Are people saying they should have to go back to the poverty of before? And in time, they will get cleaner, without a doubt.
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