China's Filthy Pollution

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« Reply #30 on: May 18, 2008, 01:07:26 PM »

Quote from: Stephen Hero on May 17, 2008, 08:58:05 AM

You're right - it's about the same economically. Probably worse in China by a measure because of the Communist economic regimes which chokes out competition. The level of corruption, disease, poverty and pollution between China and third-world Africa is probably about the same.

Perhaps clean in your own bayckyard first and fix the american problems before bitching about the chinese.

http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/science/each-countrys-share-of-co2-emissions.html

USA is the largest net polluter of CO2, which is in the long term perhaps the most dangerous greenhouse gas emission. Per capita the US pollutes more than 6 times more CO2 than China.


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« Reply #31 on: May 18, 2008, 01:48:16 PM »

No one's 'bitching about the Chinese'.

The Chinese come here to bitch about Tibet and try and tell us a lot of BS about it. We respond. That's not "Bitching about the Chinese".

And no matter how long you want to keep your head stuffed under that pillow "Europe", it's not just the US. Not by a long shot.

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« Reply #32 on: May 18, 2008, 02:02:22 PM »

Read the title of the thread - not even you can deny that the purpose of this thread is in fact "bitching" about the chinese.

The US has not ratified the Kyoto protocal, whereas all European Union countries have so I don't think you can score any points by attacking Europe on this issue. The US is not only the largest polluter of CO2 but also the country in the world that acts most irresponsibly, in it's handling of the global warming issue.

I don't think this thread is about Tibet, although I'll be happy to pick your "arguments" apart on those issues as well - but let's keep that to the Tibet threads.

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« Reply #33 on: May 18, 2008, 02:22:31 PM »

Read the many threads that prompted this one.

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The US has not ratified the Kyoto protocal, whereas all European Union countries have so I don't think you can score any points

But Canada has ratified it and China has not. Your compulsive need to believe everyone you're speaking to is an American highlights your childish ignorance and the brittleness of your talking points.

please stop dancing around pretending to be educated. it's painfully obvious that you're not.

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« Reply #34 on: May 18, 2008, 02:54:22 PM »

Hah you are really a piece of work, Ahk ...

China ratified the Kyoto protocol 30/08/02. Please stop dancing around pretending to be educated. it's painfully obvious that you're not. Grin

http://unfccc.int/files/essential_background/kyoto_protocol/application/pdf/kpstats.pdf

Btw. I read your piece in the Tibet thread - just as much fun as this one. I will redicule you in that thread tommorrow :-)

Btw. Are you suggesting the TS is not american ?

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Read the many threads that prompted this one.

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The US has not ratified the Kyoto protocal, whereas all European Union countries have so I don't think you can score any points


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« Reply #35 on: May 18, 2008, 05:44:27 PM »

Actually your link says they've approved it, not ratified it. If they have ratified it then admittedly that's news to me. At any rate as I said telling me the "US hasn't ratified the protocol so shut up" is moot.

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Are you suggesting the TS is not american ?

No I'm suggesting you have some compulsion that forces you to believe anyone against China's occupation in Tibet must be American. Telling me to shut up because "I" havent ratified Kyoto is stupid. That's what I'm suggesting.
You're going to need to learn how to read before you're going to be able to effectively ridicule anyone besides yourself.

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« Reply #36 on: May 18, 2008, 06:18:26 PM »

China ratified 30 August 2002. Ratification and approval is essentially the same thing.

Another one of your lies - or do you claim ignorance this time ?

ROFL ...

2. Acceptance and Approval

The instruments of "acceptance" or "approval" of a treaty have the same legal effect as ratification and consequently express the consent of a state to be bound by a treaty. In the practice of certain states acceptance and approval have been used instead of ratification when, at a national level, constitutional law does not require the treaty to be ratified by the head of state.

[Arts.2 (1) (b) and 14 (2), Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties 1969]


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Re: China's Filthy Pollution

« Reply #37 on: May 19, 2008, 03:43:45 AM »

Not going totally offtopic, but there is a mayor difference between accepting and signing a treaty and ratifying it. The former European constitional treaty got accepted and signed but wasn't ratified.

Now these a different treaties, but there IS a difference.

Nonetheless I do somewhat agree with that the USA has to look at its own backyard before complaining about others. China nonetheless together with the USA are major producers of CO2. Hopefully China ratifies the treaty otherwise they are not obliged to change much.


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« Reply #38 on: May 19, 2008, 05:04:57 AM »

Well the organization behind the Kyoto protocol considers it Ratified by China:

http://maindb.unfccc.int/public/country.pl?country=CN

Also, the section form the interational treaty states clearly that in this context ratification and acceptance is essentially the same thing, which also explains why the same date is used for the Chinese ratification and acceptance.


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« Reply #39 on: May 19, 2008, 07:30:57 AM »

*sigh*

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Another one of your lies - or do you claim ignorance this time ?

the pdf you linked to clearly indicates acceptance not ratified. Then i went on to admit I could've been wrong. I simply pointed it out. S'all I did kid. If you could read English or weren't sent here by your girlfriend Cune to Troll here you'd understand that.

Calling me a lire for telling you the publication you linked me to clearly says that China accepted the agreement, while others have ratified it is plain stupid. Obviously I'm not lying and if you had the ability to open up the pdf and read it yourself properly you'd see that.

I warned you on the other thread and Im doing it now: since you've already admitted that you only joined here to troll either tone down your childish tantrum and grow up or be removed.

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« Reply #40 on: May 19, 2008, 07:42:20 AM »

Quote from: Ahkenaten on May 19, 2008, 07:30:57 AM

*sigh*

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Another one of your lies - or do you claim ignorance this time ?

I am not here to troll - I am here to spread facts- something which is very, very lacking in many posts on this boards. How did your deranged mind come to that conclusion ?

You claimed that China did not ratify the agreement in the post before the one I posted a link. Thats the reason I posted the link in the first place.

Ergo, you are either a liar or ignorant ... Perhaps it was the former and then I am glad I could educate you a little bit ...

When I stand up against your ignorance you threat to remove me from the board - so much for freedom of speech. If you want remove me but then you are really making a fool out of yourself - ROFL ...


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Re: China's Filthy Pollution

« Reply #41 on: May 19, 2008, 07:54:08 AM »

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I am not here to troll - I am here to spread facts- something which is very, very lacking in many posts on this boards. How did your deranged mind come to that conclusion ?

Ok good. You're welcome here to if you can calm down. My 'deranged mind" didnt come up with it. You said it yourself here...

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And I just found this site the other day – I never had another ID on it. I just got a tip about that there was a lot of ignorant morons on the site. I am already having fun rediculing a few of them it seems 

http://www.itsallpolitics.com/component/option,com_smf/Itemid,26/topic,1953.msg54682/topicseen,1/#msg54682

...and since I know how to, you know, read I can plainly see what you said. Roll Eyes

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You claimed that China did not ratify the agreement in the post before the one I posted a link. Thats the reason I posted the link in the first place.

The sequence of events is such:

- I claimed they didnt ratify the agreement.
- you posted a pdf that shows they approved it. I simply pointed that detail out. I admitted on that very post that if they have ratified it that it would be news to me. So what? Why does that anger you so much? lol.
- then you claim I'm lying about that detail when Im not. It's plainly there.

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When I stand up against your ignorance you threat to remove me from the board - so much for freedom of speech.

Keep telling yourself that. Fact is we have more educated members here like pengy who can manage to show their points arguing the "Chinese side" without being a troll. A sure sign of a troll is when you admit they have a point or you were wrong about a detail and they prance around like you've "admitted" something and they "owned" you ...lol!

You haven't "stood up" to jack shit. You don't listen to anyone. You've just sat there mouthing off and picking fights. But as you said that's the whole reason you're here. We don't need it. Grow up and stay or remain childish and leave.

Ahk


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« Reply #42 on: May 19, 2008, 07:59:53 AM »

China is exempt from the Kyoto Protocols. What difference does it make to the Chinese?

Since its execution, the Kyoto signatories have increased their greenhouse gas emissions by 21%
Since its rejection, the US has reduced its greenhouse gas emissions by almost 4%.

Why should we sign Kyoto again? Because it doesn't work?


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