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« Reply #105 on: June 24, 2008, 10:00:00 PM »

you don't undersatnd the working of china.  those poor buildings are due to local coruption.  central government is working hard to solve that.  it will take a long time.

but china is geting bettter.  you cant deny that.
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« Reply #106 on: June 25, 2008, 04:19:02 AM »

To be honest, I don't know if it is getting better or not.  I am not an expert on China, never having been there.  My point was mostly that we both can make idiotic statements without proof.  Mine is every bit as meaningless as yours was.  Without corroborating evidence, neither means much.
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« Reply #107 on: June 25, 2008, 06:48:51 AM »

you don't undersatnd the working of china.  those poor buildings are due to local coruption.  central government is working hard to solve that.  it will take a long time.

but china is geting bettter.  you cant deny that.

The Chinese government is corrupt - there's no doubt about that.  The Communist Party does not care about the children killed - there's also no doubt about that. 

China is not "getting better."  China is getting uglier, dirtier, more corrupt, more authoritarian.  The worst part of it is that the Chinese people have lived under this brutal, tyrannical dictatorship for so long, they don't know any better.

And of course, the Communist Chinese government won't allow the internet or the media into China without government censors so the good people of China can't even get a glimpse of the outside world where their government is almost universally denounced.

Look at the Olympic torch runs...protests all the way through.  What a major embarassment.  The IOC made a huge mistake awarding the Olympic games to a brutal Communist dictatorship full of corrupt goons, thugs and murderers.

The only good thing - at least the Olympics and the earthquake will expose China for what it really is -- a corrupt Communist dictatorship that regularly murders, imprisons and denies its own citizenry even basic human rights.
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« Reply #108 on: June 25, 2008, 09:43:33 AM »

Thank you for the entertainment.

Say,  do you really think anyone takes your bigotry seriously in this  thread after your failed attempt at whitewashing the sorry excuse for a US environmental policy  Grin

you don't undersatnd the working of china.  those poor buildings are due to local coruption.  central government is working hard to solve that.  it will take a long time.

but china is geting bettter.  you cant deny that.

The Chinese government is corrupt - there's no doubt about that.  The Communist Party does not care about the children killed - there's also no doubt about that. 

China is not "getting better."  China is getting uglier, dirtier, more corrupt, more authoritarian.  The worst part of it is that the Chinese people have lived under this brutal, tyrannical dictatorship for so long, they don't know any better.

And of course, the Communist Chinese government won't allow the internet or the media into China without government censors so the good people of China can't even get a glimpse of the outside world where their government is almost universally denounced.

Look at the Olympic torch runs...protests all the way through.  What a major embarassment.  The IOC made a huge mistake awarding the Olympic games to a brutal Communist dictatorship full of corrupt goons, thugs and murderers.

The only good thing - at least the Olympics and the earthquake will expose China for what it really is -- a corrupt Communist dictatorship that regularly murders, imprisons and denies its own citizenry even basic human rights.
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« Reply #109 on: June 25, 2008, 09:55:18 AM »

Thank you for the entertainment.

You'll let me know when the Europeans finally live up to their Kyoto promises, instead of increasing their greenhouse gas emissions.  Unlike the US, which has declining emissions.  Till then, cheers!~
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« Reply #110 on: June 25, 2008, 10:55:22 AM »

You must have missed this link:

http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/5165/usegreenhousegas1990200yv4.jpg

Or maybe you just about as clever as your posts suggests  Grin


Thank you for the entertainment.

You'll let me know when the Europeans finally live up to their Kyoto promises, instead of increasing their greenhouse gas emissions.  Unlike the US, which has declining emissions.  Till then, cheers!~
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« Reply #111 on: June 25, 2008, 11:12:58 AM »

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The truth is that those developed nations that actually ratified Kyoto - including those countries whose diplomats booed the United States - saw their greenhouse-gas emissions go up, not down, by 4 percent from 2000 to 2004. In Germany and Britain, the only two major economies to register reductions, emissions fell due to factors having nothing to do with Kyoto or global warming. Margaret Thatcher broke the coal miners' union, moving Britain to cleaner burning natural gas, and the East German economy collapsed after the fall of communism, reducing a reunified Germany's reliance on dirty coal plants. When you remove Germany and Britain from the calculation, European emissions rose 10 percent between 1990 and 2005.

Given this, the failure of Kyoto signers to meet their emissions targets cannot be placed at the feet of the Bush administration. Nor are they the result of miscalculations by policymakers. Europe hasn't reduced its emissions for the same reason that China and India steadfastly refuse mandatory limits: Policymakers in those countries fear the backlash that will result from higher energy prices and slower economic growth. While China is increasingly taking steps to improve energy conservation and efficiency, doing so is consistent with its objective to lower, not increase, energy costs.

Keep dreamin'.  Hope springs eternal.

Great job on failing Kyoto - that sure was effective!

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« Reply #112 on: June 25, 2008, 11:56:52 AM »

ROFL,  you keep touting the 2006 figure for the US which is the 3rd highest in 20 years as a decrease, proving that you are not only as spineless as a worm but also as brainless   Grin

Fact is that most European countries are on track for reaching the Kyoto goals:
http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,2144,3423930,00.html

Another fact is that the US is not even trying, but instead try to sabotage the Kyoto, in order to whitewash their complete lack of environmental responsibility.

I wish the US all the luck in your alliance with Zimbabwe as the only (?) major countries that failed to sign or ratify the Kyoto protocol.

Next maybe you should actually read the text that you cite - how did you miss that the article you cited yourself actually praises the chinese effort on energy conservation and energy efficency ?- ROFL  Grin

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The truth is that those developed nations that actually ratified Kyoto - including those countries whose diplomats booed the United States - saw their greenhouse-gas emissions go up, not down, by 4 percent from 2000 to 2004. In Germany and Britain, the only two major economies to register reductions, emissions fell due to factors having nothing to do with Kyoto or global warming. Margaret Thatcher broke the coal miners' union, moving Britain to cleaner burning natural gas, and the East German economy collapsed after the fall of communism, reducing a reunified Germany's reliance on dirty coal plants. When you remove Germany and Britain from the calculation, European emissions rose 10 percent between 1990 and 2005.

Given this, the failure of Kyoto signers to meet their emissions targets cannot be placed at the feet of the Bush administration. Nor are they the result of miscalculations by policymakers. Europe hasn't reduced its emissions for the same reason that China and India steadfastly refuse mandatory limits: Policymakers in those countries fear the backlash that will result from higher energy prices and slower economic growth. While China is increasingly taking steps to improve energy conservation and efficiency, doing so is consistent with its objective to lower, not increase, energy costs.

Keep dreamin'.  Hope springs eternal.

Great job on failing Kyoto - that sure was effective!


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« Reply #113 on: June 28, 2008, 07:26:13 AM »

you don't undersatnd the working of china. 
but china is geting bettter.  you cant deny that.
   
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Beijing in lockdown
As security-minded Chinese authorities continue their pre-Games crackdown, the heat is on outsiders – and the more foreigners who leave town, the better

June 28, 2008
Bill Schiller

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BEIJING–Is the Olympic party over even before it begins?

With every passing day this host city for the 2008 Summer Games is slowly going into lockdown.

Foreigners are being scrutinized more than ever before, random security checks have begun on the city's subways and visa restrictions continue to tighten.

Whether Beijing's Olympics can be the open, welcoming, joyous celebration for which the Games have come to be known is questionable.

But one thing is certain: Canada's Derek Hildenbrand won't be here.

The 29-year-old Web marketing specialist from Banff, Alta., has called Beijing home for 4 1/2 years.

But on Canada Day he'll be winging his way to Eastern Europe – a casualty of the Chinese government's visa regulations being more strictly enforced as the countdown to the Games quickens.

Like countless thousands of foreigners, Hildenbrand lived here on an easily renewable F-visa.

Now the government has terminated F-visas – and he'll have to reapply from abroad.

"It's a major hassle," Hildenbrand said in an interview this week.

"And trying to find answers from the government is impossible. No one seems to know what's going on."

It's all part of the ever-tightening stranglehold of security that has gripped the city since the beginning of the new year.

With more than 100 heads of state coming to the Games, and the eyes of the world looking on, Chinese authorities have become – perhaps understandably – obsessed with security and are trying to examine and re-examine the status of every foreigner in Beijing.

National image counts, too.

Authorities have been shutting down selected bars, magazines, dissidents and websites – anyone and anything they feel might adversely effect China's reputation.

"They want this to be an absolutely perfect presentation," says Gilbert Kerckhove, a Beijing-based consultant. "They don't want to leave anything to chance."

For young Westerners who in recent years have flooded into Beijing with the same sort of zest a previous generation did to Prague – bringing their party spirit with them – it could be the end of an era, or at the very least, a long hiatus.

"There have been a lot of clampdowns," says Hildenbrand, "and it just doesn't seem to be as much fun."

Legitimately or otherwise, foreigners have been a target.

In the words of the China Law Blog, an award-winning Chinese website: "China's law enforcement against foreigners is constantly getting stricter and the pace has only accelerated in the last few months."

The government signalled this was coming just a few months ago.

In a little-reported news item in January, Wang Anshun, Beijing's deputy Communist party chief, announced that police were launching an operation called "Action for a Safe Olympic Games" to conduct "a comprehensive survey" of the immigrant population in the city.

Police sweeps of well-known immigrant neighbourhoods followed. In recent months, even diplomatic compounds have been targeted.

Residents in the Jianguomenwai Diplomatic Compound recently reported visa and security checks taking place in its hallways.

Signs were posted reminding all foreigners they were required to register at their local police stations – a standard requirement for foreigners under Chinese law.

Police were also knocking on doors, checking to see whether cleaning staff and nannies possessed proper papers.

"From the Chinese point of view, it's quite simple," says Kerckhove, "the fewer foreigners, the fewer people – and the easier it is to address security issues."

He says the Chinese aren't particularly concerned if overseas attendance at the Games slumps.

"They take the view that the Games aren't about visitors ... the Olympic Games are made for TV. Four billion people are going to watch it on TV. So let them stay home and watch it."

Hotel bookings suggest many will.

Zhang Huigang, an official with Beijing Tourist Office, told Associated Press last month that five-star hotels were only 77 per cent booked for the Olympic period and four-star hotels stood at 45 per cent.

Tourism in China is already experiencing a downturn as a result of the troubles in Tibet and the Sichuan earthquake.

Kerckhove, who organized the bidding process for the selection of the "Bird's Nest" National Stadium, says the "cleanup" of Beijing that is so evident now actually began last year, with police sweeps of Filipinas – many of whom were maids – and out-of-country sex workers from other countries.

The visa restrictions pushing many Westerners out today are only the most recent escalation of ever-tightening security.

But China's security concerns are real, he emphasizes.

"They're scared to death," he says, "especially about the possibility of an airborne attack."

Just this week, Chinese security officials revealed that batteries of surface-to-air missiles have been placed within 800 metres of the Bird's Nest stadium, the architectural centrepiece of the Games that will host the opening and closing ceremonies.

Kerckhove says no one can deny the Games in August, with their high-profile guest list, represent "a golden opportunity" for terrorists and China needs to be vigilant.

But the visa clampdown will come with adverse consequences for legitimate businesses.

"Business is drying up," he says, noting that delays in getting visas have meant business trips to China and meetings have had to be rescheduled and even cancelled.

He predicts that for two months – from about July 20 until the end of the Paralympics, which follow the Games – "industry and trade is going to grind to a halt."

Restaurants along Gongti Beilu, near the Workers' Stadium, in what once seemed like prized locations will be directly affected.

Will Bernholz, who manages the popular Kro's Nest restaurant, was excited when he pulled into Beijing this spring and realized the restaurant he was about to manage sat smack on top of an Olympic venue.

"I expected we were going to do a bang-up business," says the Chapel Hill, N.C., native. "I thought we were going to make money hand over fist. But obviously, that's not the case now."

Bernholz said he and his partners have been informed that their popular spot will be closed around July 20 and will not be allowed to reopen until about Sept. 20. There will be no compensation for the closure.

"The idea is that it's for the greater good of the people," he notes. "You have to live with it."

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 Huh? Huh? Huh?
So... China is getting better? Better than what?
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« Reply #114 on: June 29, 2008, 04:40:37 AM »



 Huh? Huh? Huh?
So... China is getting better? Better than what?

ROFL, better than the US for one ...  Grin

I can still travel to China without having my fingerprints taken ...

Usually I ignore your bigotry but this time I couldn't resist. 
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« Reply #115 on: June 29, 2008, 05:16:20 AM »



 Huh? Huh? Huh?
So... China is getting better? Better than what?

ROFL, better than the US for one ...  Grin

I can still travel to China without having my fingerprints taken ...

Usually I ignore your bigotry but this time I couldn't resist. 


No, cutie-pie, you will not have your fingerprints taken if you travel to China, but you'll have the whole fingers taken, instead  laugh
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« Reply #116 on: June 29, 2008, 05:39:58 AM »



No, cutie-pie, you will not have your fingerprints taken if you travel to China, but you'll have the whole fingers taken, instead  laugh

No doubt you think so, but now again - one doesn't HAVE to look at your avatar to figure out that you are delusional ...
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« Reply #117 on: June 29, 2008, 07:53:08 AM »


No doubt you think so, but now again - one doesn't HAVE to look at your avatar to figure out that you are delusional ...

OK, cutie-pie, since I'm lower than your intelect Cool, I'm not going to bother you anymore, I'll just live my own decadent western life-style, long live the "Real-Democratic Republic of Free Chinese"!
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