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« on: May 15, 2008, 09:25:52 AM »

The fact Democrats are going INSANE about this today shows he must have hit em where it hurts...

Biden is calling it Bullshit, and pelosi and the lrest of the Lefties like Obama are attacking hard Smiley

They seem to umm be prostesting too much ....


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In veiled attack, Bush criticizes Dems for terrorist 'appeasement'  (I dont think its too veiled)

Story Highlights
  • Bush says trying to negotiate with terrorists is a "foolish delusion"
    Obama: "Bush knows that I have never supported engagement with terrorists"
    McCain recently charged that Obama is the favored candidate of Hamas
    White House denies comments were attack on Obama
By Ed Henry
CNN White House Correspondent
JERUSALEM (CNN) -- President Bush launched a sharp but veiled attack Thursday on Sen. Barack Obama and other Democrats, suggesting they favor "appeasement" of terrorists in the same way some Western leaders appeased Hitler in the run-up to World War II.

The president did not name Obama or any other Democrat, but White House aides privately acknowledged to CNN that the remarks were aimed at the presidential candidate and others in his party.

After Bush's comments were widely reported, the White House denied they were an attack aimed at Obama.

According to Obama's Web site, he favors "tough, direct presidential diplomacy with Iran without preconditions, and is willing to meet with the leaders of all nations, friend and foe."

He does not favor talks with Hamas, which the U.S. government has listed as a terrorist group.

Former President Jimmy Carter recently wrapped up a trip to the Middle East, which included talks with leaders of Hamas, an Islamic fundamentalist group that controls the Palestinian territory of Gaza.

"Some seem to believe we should negotiate with terrorists and radicals, as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been wrong all along," Bush said at Israel's 60th anniversary celebration in Jerusalem.

"We have heard this foolish delusion before," Bush said in remarks to Israel's parliament, the Knesset.

"As Nazi tanks crossed into Poland in 1939, an American senator declared: 'Lord, if only I could have talked to Hitler, all of this might have been avoided.' We have an obligation to call this what it is -- the false comfort of appeasement, which has been repeatedly discredited by history." Watch Bush describe what he calls a 'foolish delusion' »

Doubts about Obama with Jewish Americans were earlier stoked by Sen. John McCain, the presumptive Republican nominee in the 2008 presidential election, when he recently charged that Obama is the favored candidate of Hamas.

Obama last week called the Hamas allegation a "smear" and lashed out Thursday at Bush's speech in Israel.

"It is sad that President Bush would use a speech to the Knesset on the 60th anniversary of Israel's independence to launch a false political attack," Obama said in a statement released to CNN by his campaign. "It is time to turn the page on eight years of policies that have strengthened Iran and failed to secure America or our ally Israel. ...

"George Bush knows that I have never supported engagement with terrorists, and the president's extraordinary politicization of foreign policy and the politics of fear do nothing to secure the American people or our stalwart ally Israel," Obama's statement said. Watch the Obama camp's response to Bush »

White House spokeswoman Dana Perino said Bush's comment was not a "slam" aimed at Obama.

"There are many who have suggested these types of negotiations with people that the president, President Bush, thinks that we should not talk to," she told reporters after the president's comment was widely reported.

The Bush administration held three rounds of discussions with Iran about security in Iraq last year, including two at the ambassadorial level, and Defense Secretary Robert Gates on Wednesday said Washington needed to "figure out a way to develop some leverage ... and then sit down and talk with" Iran.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, a California Democrat, condemned Bush's comments and suggested that McCain denounce them.

Pelosi, who leaves later Thursday on a bipartisan congressional trip to Israel, said there is a "protocol" of not criticizing the president when he is abroad, but then declared, "I think what the president did in that regard is beneath the dignity of the office of president and unworthy of our representation at that observance in Israel."

Howard Dean, the Democratic Party chairman, also called on McCain to denounce the comment.

McCain declined to do so Thursday, instead criticizing Obama's willingness to talk to the president of Iran.

"It is a serious error on the part of Sen. Obama that shows naiveté and inexperience and lack of judgment to say that he wants to sit down across the table from an individual who leads a country who says that Israel is a stinking corpse," McCain told reporters.

Bush largely focused his speech in Jerusalem on highlighting the American-Israeli partnership. "The alliance between our governments is unbreakable, yet the source of our friendship runs deeper than any treaty," he said.

Bush said the United States and Israel are locked in an ideological struggle with radicals in the Middle East, using the speech to tie al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden to the terror groups Hamas and Hezbollah.

"That is why the founding charter of Hamas calls for the 'elimination' of Israel," Bush said. "That is why the followers of Hezbollah chant 'Death to Israel, Death to America!' That is why Osama bin Laden teaches that 'the killing of Jews and Americans is one of the biggest duties.' And that is why the president of Iran dreams of returning the Middle East to the Middle Ages and calls for Israel to be wiped off the map."

Bush then made his transition to Obama and other Democrats without naming names, raising the specter of the Holocaust to make his point.

"There are good and decent people who cannot fathom the darkness in these men and try to explain their words away," said Bush. "This is natural. But it is deadly wrong.

"As witnesses to evil in the past, we carry a solemn responsibility to take these words seriously. Jews and Americans have seen the consequences of disregarding the words of leaders who espouse hatred. And that is a mistake the world must not repeat in the 21st century," the president said.

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« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2008, 09:35:19 AM »

So Obama is for "securing our ally Israel?"
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« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2008, 09:56:55 AM »

Bush has been consistent in his stance to not talk to terrorists.

It seems Obama's strategy is to not allow criticism to go unanswered quickly, which is smart. He may have jumped the gun on this one, though.
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« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2008, 10:10:10 AM »

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The fact Democrats are going INSANE about this today shows he must have hit em where it hurts...

Biden is calling it Bullshit, and pelosi and the lrest of the Lefties like Obama are attacking hard Smiley

They seem to umm be prostesting too much ....

Well no. Bush says:

"Bush says trying to negotiate with terrorists is a "foolish delusion"", from the master of foolish delusions when he hired 21-year old post grad students to be the new Iraqi Minister of the interior, etc.

Anyways as it says in the article this is a "veiled attack" (not much "Testies" needed for that) meaning he's not really going to say anything he has to back up but instead simply use implication in place of actual facts....kinda like conspiracy theorists. he wants to criticize what he wished Obama said rather than what he did say.

What Obama did say was:

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"According to Obama's Web site, he favors "tough, direct presidential diplomacy with Iran without preconditions, and is willing to meet with the leaders of all nations, friend and foe."

He does not favor talks with Hamas, which the U.S. government has listed as a terrorist group."

So no they aren't "protesting too much", unless I claim you said something you didn't and correcting me at all means you're protesting too much.

I don't know how many "testies" it takes to make a bs implication you don't have to back up, and at a time in your career where you really have nothing to lose and could probably say anything you liked, but ...okay.

If he was having difficulties finding his testies my guess would be that they were hidden under the atlas.

While we're at it what does McCain say he's going to about Iran? Bomb 'em? Can I get a quote here? Because if he hasn't said anything then...well whatever. More UN sanctions? Sure that'll work.

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« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2008, 10:20:49 AM »

I think Bush was taking a shot at Jimmy Carter.
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« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2008, 10:29:45 AM »

This was the same partisan, divisive crap that has been a hallmark of the Bush administration.  Call this what it is, this is Bush using his office to campaign for McCain. 
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« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2008, 10:40:28 AM »

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This was the same partisan, divisive crap that has been a hallmark of the Bush administration.

How is it partisan to state a fact? Some people DO WANT TO TALK TO TERRORISTS. Some people actually DO visit them (Carter).
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« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2008, 10:48:18 AM »

I think Bush was taking a shot at Jimmy Carter.

I think you're right.

I mean think about it. He's talking to Israel and Jimmy Carter wants to negotiate with Hezbolah. It was an "pause and wait for applause" line... but I can't blame other Democrats for feeling criticized.

Of course, it's stupid to think it took any "testies" to say that. It doesn't take testies to kill people.

Also, for the record, we've never really sat down with ANY of the orginizations we refer to as "terrorists". What harm can be done in doing that? Why can't we go in, listen, act like we're trying to be diplomatic and THEN bomb the hell out of them?

Why is diplomacy cowardice?
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« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2008, 10:56:10 AM »

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What harm can be done in doing that?

It can and will be used as a propaganda tool against us.

One thing to remember...what seems rational to you and me (like talking) is not rational to the terrorists. These are people who have no gumption to turn on the tape and cut a mans head completely off his body.

I defer to the good senses of people who understand this thinking better than I.
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« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2008, 11:00:59 AM »

 No testicles, no backbone, no brains. Standard Bush operating procedure. If he wants to challange Obama on what he did  say about diplomacy  Bush the coward should name names and quote quotes...Nah he's far to slimey to do that.
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« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2008, 11:03:15 AM »

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What harm can be done in doing that?

It can and will be used as a propaganda tool against us.

Yeah, cause our strategies thus far (bombing them) has really helped cut the amount of "propoganda" terrorist orginizations use to recruit followers.

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What harm is there in trying? Seriously.

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One thing to remember...what seems rational to you and me (like talking) is not rational to the terrorists. These are people who have no gumption to turn on the tape and cut a mans head completely off his body.

So then our attempts at diplomacy reveal them to be the head-removing savages we all think they are. But what's wrong in trying? Are you afraid they might actually be more civil than you think?
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So then our attempts at diplomacy reveal them to be the head-removing savages we all think they are. But what's wrong in trying? Are you afraid they might actually be more civil than you think?

These are men who routinely bomb cafes in Iraq taking out zero military targets and 100% civilian targets. This we know...we don't have to guess.

These are men that, according to their religion, think you and me should die.

These are men who will plot for 3 years to hijack civilian aircraft and killing thousands and themselves in the process.

Can you think of anything we could say because, at the table, I can't.
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« Reply #12 on: May 15, 2008, 11:23:52 AM »

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So then our attempts at diplomacy reveal them to be the head-removing savages we all think they are. But what's wrong in trying? Are you afraid they might actually be more civil than you think?

These are men who routinely bomb cafes in Iraq taking out zero military targets and 100% civilian targets. This we know...we don't have to guess.

These are men that, according to their religion, think you and me should die.

These are men who will plot for 3 years to hijack civilian aircraft and killing thousands and themselves in the process.

Can you think of anything we could say because, at the table, I can't.

These are people who were victims of international interference, international restructuring and super power pissing contests. You're surprised they're pissed? Maybe if we spent some time analysing WHY they do these things we can get a better understanding of what we could do to FIX them.

I mean, look at Al Sadr. He's now an "ally" because he's doing what we want. Before then he was a terrorist who could not be negotiated with. What made him reliable? What did we do to get him on our side? What can we do to keep him and his radical elements on our side?

Are Hamas, Hezbolah, etc. any different?
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« Reply #13 on: May 15, 2008, 11:44:23 AM »

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These are people who were victims of international interference, international restructuring and super power pissing contests.

Some, perhaps. Others have bought into the radical version of Islam.

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Maybe if we spent some time analysing WHY they do these things we can get a better understanding of what we could do to FIX them.

That would make us to blame for THEIR actions. I don't subscribe to that. We are not completely guiltless, I will admit.
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« Reply #14 on: May 15, 2008, 12:33:22 PM »

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These are people who were victims of international interference, international restructuring and super power pissing contests.

Some, perhaps. Others have bought into the radical version of Islam.

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Maybe if we spent some time analysing WHY they do these things we can get a better understanding of what we could do to FIX them.

That would make us to blame for THEIR actions. I don't subscribe to that. We are not completely guiltless, I will admit.

Nice of you to admit that we are far from guiltless. Over one hundred years of internationalism has made us enemies across the globe. Talking over killing makes sense to me.

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