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« Reply #30 on: May 16, 2008, 10:15:40 AM » |
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Capitalist concerns, whether oil or Wall Street loans to allies or whatever, have motivated all wars we have fought in.
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« Reply #31 on: May 16, 2008, 10:16:40 AM » |
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So to say that our mideast policy is not about oil is simply false. Of course it is...I've never said otherwise. Why else would be have any interest in that hell hole? |
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« Reply #32 on: May 16, 2008, 10:35:45 AM » |
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So to say that our mideast policy is not about oil is simply false. Of course it is...I've never said otherwise. Why else would be have any interest in that hell hole? Well, when you screw with people's internal politics just to serve yourself, people tend to get mad, especially if they are pretty angry in the first place. |
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« Reply #33 on: May 16, 2008, 10:45:24 AM » |
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Well, when you screw with people's internal politics just to serve yourself, people tend to get mad, especially if they are pretty angry in the first place. We can deal with the situation on the front end or the back end. In a perfect world, everybody plays nice. The world isn't perfect, unfortunately. |
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« Reply #34 on: May 17, 2008, 08:11:07 AM » |
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No testicles, no backbone, no brains. Standard Bush operating procedure. If he wants to challange Obama on what he did say about diplomacy Bush the coward should name names and quote quotes...Nah he's far to slimey to do that.
Why name names? You know who you are.  |
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« Reply #35 on: May 17, 2008, 08:39:49 AM » |
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A President who is so ignorant of history that he has no idea the difference between diplomacy and appeasement has no business talking about anyone. To use the celebration of an allies anniversary of sovereignty as a platform for cheap shot, domestic, political fear mongering further demonstrates his crass, ignorant, incompetence as a world leader.
Had he named names in his statement he would be held accountable for the gross inaccuracy of what he said . Bush never has any balls, and always makes sure he phrases his words so as not to be held accountable for what he implies.
Perhaps he does know that appeasement and diplomacy are completely different things and he is betting that the American people are ignorant and uninformed. If that is the case...perhaps he is correct.
Frankly I'm not sure which is worse.
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« Reply #36 on: May 18, 2008, 02:36:36 PM » |
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Had he named names in his statement he would be held accountable for the gross inaccuracy of what he said . How would adding a name make his statement any more or less accurate? ps: Obama never said Bush was wrong. He said he agrees with Bush that we should NOT talk to terrorists. Obama protesting over a statement not directed at him seems a bit amateurish. |
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« Reply #37 on: May 18, 2008, 03:28:47 PM » |
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Obama protesting over a statement not directed at him seems a bit amateurish. So is criticizing the actions of a political opponent about US Foreign Policy... in another country. It's cowardice, too. |
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« Reply #38 on: May 18, 2008, 06:38:31 PM » |
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So is criticizing the actions of a political opponent about US Foreign Policy... in another country. Jimmy Carter doesn't fit the description of a political opponent. Now, what Murtha did fits your definition. THAT was treasonous. |
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« Reply #39 on: May 18, 2008, 09:24:19 PM » |
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So is criticizing the actions of a political opponent about US Foreign Policy... in another country. Jimmy Carter doesn't fit the description of a political opponent. Bush is a Republican, no? Carter is a Democrat, right? My description fits fine. Now, what Murtha did fits your definition. THAT was treasonous. What does "treason" have to do with anything said here? |
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Either you repeat the same conventional doctrines everybody is saying, or else you say something true, and it will sound like its from Neptune.
- Noam Chomsky
... you can almost see the high water mark - that place where the wave finally broke and rolled back.
- Hunter S. Thompson
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« Reply #40 on: May 19, 2008, 04:13:00 AM » |
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What does "treason" have to do with anything said here? We are talking about things said in foreign lands. To me, it doesn't get any worse than what Murtha did on enemy soil. |
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« Reply #41 on: May 19, 2008, 07:22:10 AM » |
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Lol, democrats know that they cannot fight this campaign based on keeping america safe and fighting our enemies so they have to make believe terrorism is not a real threat and hope people forget about 9/11 and the many attacks on this country.
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« Reply #42 on: May 19, 2008, 08:12:53 AM » |
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What does "treason" have to do with anything said here? We are talking about things said in foreign lands. To me, it doesn't get any worse than what Murtha did on enemy soil. We're talking about what's appropriate to say in foreign countries. "Treason" is a step beyond what I think is appropriate considering the inciting incedent. Unless everytime Bush does something wrong you're just gonna show us how a Democrat at some point in time did worse. "A Republican stands up in Congress and says, 'I have a shitty idea,' and the Democrat stands up and says, 'I can make it shittier'."
- Louis BlackAppropriate, don't you think? Lol, democrats know that they cannot fight this campaign based on keeping america safe and fighting our enemies so they have to make believe terrorism is not a real threat and hope people forget about 9/11 and the many attacks on this country. America isn't safer under Bush's policies either: The United States Lacks Comprehensive Plan to Destroy the Terrorist Threat and Close the Safe Haven in Pakistan’s Federally Administered Tribal AreasBasically, we're screwed no matter what. |
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Either you repeat the same conventional doctrines everybody is saying, or else you say something true, and it will sound like its from Neptune.
- Noam Chomsky
... you can almost see the high water mark - that place where the wave finally broke and rolled back.
- Hunter S. Thompson
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« Reply #43 on: May 19, 2008, 10:49:22 AM » |
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Bush has been consistent in his stance to not talk to terrorists. You mean like Libia & N Korea, right? |
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« Reply #44 on: May 21, 2008, 12:45:31 PM » |
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Well, when you screw with people's internal politics just to serve yourself, people tend to get mad, especially if they are pretty angry in the first place. We can deal with the situation on the front end or the back end. In a perfect world, everybody plays nice. The world isn't perfect, unfortunately. And it remains, fists are only one option. Right now, talking is working in Iraq. Case Closed. Read about Petraeus's plan. Read about what is working on the ground. Stop pretending it is only a choice between dropping bombs and "hoping the other guy is nice." Bush's policy is wrong. It hasn't worked and will never work. Iraq proves that. |
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