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« Reply #45 on: June 30, 2008, 07:59:22 AM »

Discussing McCain's age is on par with discussing Obama's blackness.

Has he shown some decrepitude?
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« Reply #46 on: June 30, 2008, 08:06:12 AM »

From what I've read, there is just a worry, nothing more, about McCain's age, which in fact, is old. Do I expect him to die in the next four years? No. Would I be shocked if he did? No, just as I wouldn't be shocked if any 70+ year old died.

I think his age hurts him not because people think he's gonna die, but because people my age (in their 20s) have doubts that some ancient politician has any idea what life is like for us, not to mention any care what life is going to be like when we're 70, long after McCain is dead.

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« Reply #47 on: June 30, 2008, 08:12:54 AM »

Discussing McCain's age is on par with discussing Obama's blackness.
No, it isn't. If he does two terms, he'll be 80 at the end. It is a medical fact that after a certain age there is a loss of mental function. Maybe you think there is a loss of mental function with being black?

Did Reagan show signs of decrepitude when he was first elected? No. Did he have onset altzeimers when he left? Yes.
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« Reply #48 on: June 30, 2008, 08:17:25 AM »

From what I've read, there is just a worry, nothing more, about McCain's age, which in fact, is old. Do I expect him to die in the next four years? No. Would I be shocked if he did? No, just as I wouldn't be shocked if any 70+ year old died.

I think his age hurts him not because people think he's gonna die, but because people my age (in their 20s) have doubts that some ancient politician has any idea what life is like for us, not to mention any care what life is going to be like when we're 70, long after McCain is dead.

Thank you for saying what I couldn't, BBW.

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« Reply #49 on: June 30, 2008, 08:49:17 AM »

In order to better understand where this rage is coming from, may I ask you, how old are you?

45 if it matters.....and it was sarcasm, not rage.

Well Reagan was that old but he spent his last term in the beginning stages of altzeimer's. Of course the wingnuts, once again, are using tactics rather than rational argument.

Let's see if this is rational.....

Do all people over 70 have Alzheimers?

Does McCain have Alzheimers...even the beginning of Alzheimers?

His Mayo Physicians have weighed in on his health status...so it's easy to check.

I think his age hurts him not because people think he's gonna die, but because people my age (in their 20s) have doubts that some ancient politician has any idea what life is like for us ......

Yes, I see....you have so much in common with a middle-aged African-American worth $1.3 million who went to elementary school in Indonesia and then Harvard.....what was I thinking  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #50 on: June 30, 2008, 09:41:49 AM »

In order to better understand where this rage is coming from, may I ask you, how old are you?

45 if it matters.....and it was sarcasm, not rage.

Well Reagan was that old but he spent his last term in the beginning stages of altzeimer's. Of course the wingnuts, once again, are using tactics rather than rational argument.

Let's see if this is rational.....

Do all people over 70 have Alzheimers?

Does McCain have Alzheimers...even the beginning of Alzheimers?

His Mayo Physicians have weighed in on his health status...so it's easy to check.

I think his age hurts him not because people think he's gonna die, but because people my age (in their 20s) have doubts that some ancient politician has any idea what life is like for us ......

Yes, I see....you have so much in common with a middle-aged African-American worth $1.3 million who went to elementary school in Indonesia and then Harvard.....what was I thinking  Roll Eyes


Medical science tells us that the life expectancy of the average American male is, well, two years older than McCain. Senility and altzeimers can set in even before the same decade. History also tells us that the office, and the stresses associated with it ,age the president much faster than normal.

Medical science, however, tells us nothing of the physiological "dangers" of being a middle-aged African-American worth $1.3 million who went to elementary school in Indonesia and then Harvard. 

Nice try. But, hey, you're a wingnut: you had to give some bullshit a shot.

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« Reply #51 on: June 30, 2008, 09:49:40 AM »

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Well, I'm not an Obama supporter, first of all. Secondly, I think he would have much more of an interest of what happens 20-30 years down the road when he's in his non-old age of 70 then a dead or dying McCain would. It's not hard to believe Obama would be more in touch than McCain, or any 70+ year old for that matter. Do I think Obama is in touch? Not really. But when put side by side with McCain, I'd say he is.

I'm not voting for either, so it doesn't really matter to me. But to act as if there are no concerns at all regarding McCain's age, is either amazingly foolish or amazingly short-sighted.

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« Reply #52 on: June 30, 2008, 09:56:36 AM »

Medical science tells us that the life expectancy of the average American male is, well, two years older than McCain.

No, statistics do....where on the statistical bell curve is average?

There are standard deviations to the left....where Jim Fixx and Tim Russert are...

And standard deviations to the right where Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin, Jimmy Carter, Thurgood Marshall and John Paul Stevens are.

You know exactly where John McCain is going to end up, huh?

Tell us Dr Irwin.

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Medical science, however, tells us nothing of the physiological "dangers" of being a middle-aged African-American worth $1.3 million who went to elementary school in Indonesia and then Harvard. 

I'm pretty sure a Physician has an opinion on a middle-aged African-American male who has smoked for twenty years or more in a high-stress environment......and I expect you wouldn't.
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« Reply #53 on: June 30, 2008, 10:11:21 AM »

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Medical science tells us that the life expectancy of the average American male is, well, two years older than McCain. Senility and altzeimers can set in even before the same decade. History also tells us that the office, and the stresses associated with it ,age the president much faster than normal.

Then we should have an age cap. One must be older than 35 to run. Saying someone must be under 65 should be fair.
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« Reply #54 on: June 30, 2008, 10:17:38 AM »

Discussing McCain's age is on par with discussing Obama's blackness.
No, it isn't. If he does two terms, he'll be 80 at the end. It is a medical fact that after a certain age there is a loss of mental function. Maybe you think there is a loss of mental function with being black?

Did Reagan show signs of decrepitude when he was first elected? No. Did he have onset altzeimers when he left? Yes.

You want to discuss his second term?

At the moment, he seems healthy enough and I see no signs of mental impairment.

My dad's sister got Alxheimer's - at around 57.

Did Reagan show signs in the second election?

Obama might early onset Alzheimer's - it is possible. The future is uncertain for all of us.

Why is McCain not qualified RIGHT NOW?

There are plenty of reasons. Age isn't one of them.
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« Reply #55 on: June 30, 2008, 05:39:23 PM »

A secular "Amen" toaster!  However, though some might suggest I'm well past my dotage, McCain's 72nd birthday is August 29th and my
73rd on September 2nd. 

38 years ago I had cancer and survived, but it wasn't melanoma as McCain's recurrence of that type has been. Nor have I been tortured, severely burned or many of the other physical factors McCain has suffered. I haven't been a pilot, shot down nor crashed four more aircraft as McCain has, but I do know many who have been pilots who suffer from hearing damage.

Nor did I graduate at the low end of a class at Annapolis, but do hold a Master's Degree with honors earned while in my 40s.  I've never been elected to public office, but served as Congressional staff and have some understanding of politics and legislation, but wonder at times if McCain's staff, as some elected rep's do, complete the majority of the work on legislation and the M.C. then shows up to vote on what the staff suggests?   

The great and serious difference is, I'm not running for POTUS nor do I share the great majoity of McCain's political philosophy though like McCain I am also on my second marriage, but, LOL, not to a man who is a wealthy beer heir. 

My point? Most who  post here could be my children or grandchildren, in some cases, and really have little concept of what it is like to live in a 72 year old body.  Some at McCain's age and mine are fortunate to be quite healthy while I remain one of my long term friends still alive.  While McCain's age might have brought him wisdom, in other cases he appears to suffer from the same aspect most of those my age joke about and call "senior moments."  Classic was Lieberman reminding him in Iraq the difference between Shia and Sunni.

Should some consider McCain's age a valid reason to vote or not to vote for him, those in the 40s or 50s the ages of my offspring, might
look at there parents if they survive and ask if they would support them in the process of running for POTUS.  I might also suggest pure
reality of age might also be a consideration of who McCain ultimately chooses to be his Veep, as in the end, he or she could end up serving as POTUS should they be elected.

Hopefully, all who read or choose to comment on this post will also, as I have, retain a sense of humor. After once reaches the age when one becomes a beneficiary of Medicare, it is an absolute necessity for survival.  Grin   OT, perhaps, but maybe no more than the topic of this post.
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