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« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2007, 01:54:25 PM » |
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« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2007, 06:25:35 PM » |
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But they all voted for the war in the first place right?
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« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2007, 06:54:49 PM » |
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So did Clinton and other Democrats. So is she alligned with Bush now? (I think not BTW. But using the above logic she is) Anyways, I think you're not being completely truthful about their positions on the war. But whatever you say  . |
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« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2007, 07:02:19 PM » |
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Not every Dem voted for the war either, most likely they're embarrassed by Bush but just want the war to end.
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« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2007, 04:18:30 AM » |
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Bush has a low approval rating, which means the majority of the country doesn't like him. Why in God's name would ANYone want to assign their name to an anchor like that?
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jpn of Seattle
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« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2007, 07:11:46 PM » |
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A favorite misinformation tactic is to claim that Clinton and other Democrats "voted for the war." "In fact, after being mislead along with the rest of America about the state of Hussein's threat to our security, they voted to give Bush the power to threaten Hussein with action if he didn't comply with U.N. mandates.
And it worked. Hussein allowed U.N. inspectors back into the country. They had to be told to leave just prior to our invation. The U.N. inspectors were correct in their reports that they could not verify that Iraq had any NBC weapons capabilities.
Also, many Democrats voted against the resolution anyway. Others, like Obama, were not in Congress but openly spoke out against the invasion prior to it.
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« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2007, 07:24:40 PM » |
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Wow jpn, you really are a bot eh?
After misleading?
The Clintons, Reid, Pelosi, and MANY other Democrats all claimed Saddam was a nuclear threat before Bush even got into office. The reality is they had those preceptions before Bush even said a word. So seriously grow up and open your eyes.
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« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2007, 07:29:54 PM » |
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Wow jpn, you really are a bot eh?
After misleading?
The Clintons, Reid, Pelosi, and MANY other Democrats all claimed Saddam was a nuclear threat before Bush even got into office. The reality is they had those preceptions before Bush even said a word. So seriously grow up and open your eyes.
He DID have WMD in earlier years--he certainly had gas, just ask the Kurds. But did he have a strike capability in 2003 that seriously put the United States in grave danger? That was the question, and the White House assured us that the answer was yes. As far as being a "bot", I could call you names too, but I don't think that would improve my argument at all. In fact, I think it weakens and cheapens it. Let's try to stick to facts, or at least to our opinions, okay? |
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« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2007, 07:37:12 PM » |
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I stated the facts, and you just danced around them. We went with the information avaliable, and what his predecessor (Senor Clinton) said. http://youtube.com/watch?v=ePb6H-j51xESandy Berger: "He WILL rebuild his arsenal of weapons of mass destruction" Boy look at that. HE WILL rebuild the arsenal? Seems like the Democrats made it very clear Saddam was working on WMDs and was a threat that needed to be taken out. The year was 2002, just one year before the invasion. And what did Pelosi say? "Saddam Hussein certainly has chemical and biological weapons". Would you like a mad man having chemical and biological weapons? October of 2002, NOT EVEN A YEAR BEFORE THE INVASION. Jay Rockefeller stated "There is UNMISTAKEABLE evidence that Saddam Hussein is working agressively to develop nuclear weapons. And will likely have nuclear weapons within the next 5 years" These people. These DEMOCRATS, went off of their own information and made these statements about nukes. Watch the video. There are PLENTY more quotes from 2002 that support that. I'll leave you of your own will to look at those. Now you get mad that I call you a bot. But come on man, what do you think you sound like? I'm clearly stating the facts here, you keep coming up with bullocks responses. |
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« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2007, 08:09:09 PM » |
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You try SO hard to hang the noose of Iraq around Democratic necks. Do you really think that any other person on the planet would have responded to 9/11 with a panicked and irrational and bungled attack on a totally unrelated third country?
Attacking Afghanistan was sane. Invading Iraq was insane. Some of the Congressional Democrats voted in support of the resolution, yes. Some thought that Hussein had WMD, yes. But would they have invaded Iraq?
No. President Gore wouldn't have. He was against the war before the invasion. So was Obama. So were many Democrats.
Would anyone other than the Neocons have decided they just HAD to invade Iraq right at that moment, while we were trying to win a war in Afghanistan?
Would any other administration have deliberately pressured the intelligence agencies into finding what the White House so explicitly made sure they wanted them to find?
Iraq is the worst foreign policy disaster since Vietnam. In terms of strategic interests, it may turn out to be worse than VN. I understand your trying to pretend that Democrats should equally share the blame.
Sorry. It's Bush's war. It's the Neocons' war. It's the Republicans' war (they're the ones filibustering all attempts to end it, remember?).
It's not the Democrats' war.
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« Reply #11 on: September 24, 2007, 08:19:56 PM » |
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Wow, you dance around don't you?
It isn't the Democrats war? Really? Is Bush a dictator? Was he somehow able to override a vote from Congress that said "We don't want a war"?
No he doesn't have that power. And the majority of congress didn't say "We don't want a war".
Jpn, you really can't say what Gore, or any other Democrat for that matter would have done. You're simply stating your opinion.
And I'm sure, plenty of Democrats NOW say "I wish we never would have gone into Iraq". It's very easy to say what you would have or would not have done after the fact. I'd like to go back to yesterday so I can pick the lotto numbers: 5, 9, 13, 19, 23 and 25. It's the same deal here. Now that you know the outcome, it's easy to state what you would have done. But the reality is this war was supported by BOTH SIDES.
I'm trying to pretend Democrats are to blame? LOOK AT THE VOTES. LOOK AT THE GOD DAMNED VOTES. You can blame Bush all you want. But the reality is Bush would have had no approval to go to war had Democrats all voted no. So you can remain partisan like you're doing now. Or you can drop your partisan act and admit that both sides have stake in this.
I would say Bush is more so to blame as he was the driving force behind the war. But to deny the existance of the role of the Democrats is PURE bias.
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« Reply #12 on: September 24, 2007, 08:36:49 PM » |
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You're not claiming that you are not partisan, are you?
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« Reply #13 on: September 24, 2007, 08:41:20 PM » |
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I'll admit that the majority of the time I side with conservatives (Bush isn't a conservative btw, and I'll gladly call him out on NUMEROUS issues). If you'll admit that I'm right here, name another issue and I'll see about siding with you on it . |
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« Reply #14 on: September 24, 2007, 09:20:01 PM » |
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Admit that you're right about exactly what? That Democrats and Republicans are equally culpable for the Republican disaster in Iraq?
Not likely...
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