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Author Topic: GOP candidates; "Don't campaign for me bro".  (Read 435 times)
Totino
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« Reply #15 on: September 24, 2007, 09:58:13 PM »

Hah. That simply means you're blinded by your partisanship. It's a shame that even with a massive amount of evidence you don't have the integrity to admit you're wrong.
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« Reply #16 on: September 24, 2007, 10:16:35 PM »

Hah. That simply means you're blinded by your partisanship. It's a shame that even with a massive amount of evidence you don't have the integrity to admit you're wrong.

Admit I'm wrong? First I'd have to be wrong. Suggesting that the Democrats share equal responsibility for Bush's war is absurd.
You don't even know how Congress works. You seem to think a simple majority can do whatever it wants. Read up on the rules of the Senate sometime. Last week alone would have showed you how it works in reality, had you paid attention. Perhaps you ought to take a short break from posting and read a newspaper for a change. It's amazing what you can learn.

You want to be right so badly you seem to have convinced yourself. Hope you sleep peacefully as a result.  Wink
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« Reply #17 on: September 24, 2007, 10:58:20 PM »

Where did I imply a majority can do as it pleases? NO WHERE did I even suggest that. And further more, I MYSELF said Bush is more so responsible than the Democrats. But to put all blame off on him when they gave him the ability to go to war is ridiculous.

Learn to read buddy. It'll help you in the long wrong.
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« Reply #18 on: September 25, 2007, 05:48:00 AM »

I have to agree somewhat with Totino, the Democrats do have some responsibility for the cluster#$%$ that is the Iraq war (at least some Democrats do).  But unlike the majority of Republicans, they are trying to end the war and get us the hell out of there once it was apparent that the information was wrong (or at least they were shown the wrong information).  When 2 people are caught robbing a store, I tend to go easier on the one who then tries to return the money than the one who tries to go back and rob the store again.
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« Reply #19 on: September 25, 2007, 06:55:30 AM »

I can agree with that Perrin Smiley
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« Reply #20 on: September 25, 2007, 07:57:25 AM »

I can agree with that Perrin Smiley

Woot, my calendar has been marked that this was the day we agreed on something.

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« Reply #21 on: September 25, 2007, 09:30:46 AM »

The Republicans (my party) is in a bit of a quandry with regards to this war....and although I feel the Democrats are not responsible for the war, where they seem to stand now poses to transfer the quandry to their feet.

NO ONE running for President, Republican or Democrat, seems to give the history of this region or the history of the people it's due...and understanding the history will show us what we are truely facing...and again NO ONE is even talking about it....the only one who seems to understand a little about the history is Joe Biden...and he just won't win.

Until the American political hierarhy has a "come to Jesus" moment...we will continue on a path that will accomplish nothing more than what the British accomplished with the region after the fall of the Ottoman Empire....and we see how well that worked out.

(I apologize to my atheists friends with the reference to Jesus, but I couldn't come up with a better phrase to make my point.)
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« Reply #22 on: September 25, 2007, 07:54:40 PM »

Upon further review, I agree with you Totino, I misread your post. Maybe your questioning my integrity caused me to read a little too quickly. But I'm glad you think of me as a buddy again.  Wink

The Republicans are now blocking every attempt by Democrats to begin winding down this war. It will kill Republicans politically in 2008, as well it should. After all, our troops are not being killed politically, but rather in earnest.

Obama was right in November, 2002. He's right now. All the Democratic presidential candidates are proposing ways to begin getting out of Iraq. None of the Republican candidates are, to my knowledge.

From Senator Clinton's web page:
Ending the War in Iraq
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In addition to capping troop levels, Hillary's Iraq Troop Protection and Reduction Act of 2007 would:
Require President Bush to begin removing the troops from Iraq within 90 days of passage, or Congress will revoke authorization for the war.
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/iraq/

Senator Obama's web page:
Plan to End the Iraq War
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Before the war in Iraq ever started, Senator Obama said that it was wrong in its conception. In 2002, then Illinois State Senator Obama said Saddam Hussein posed no imminent threat to the United States and that invasion would lead to an occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences. Since then, Senator Obama has laid out a plan on the way forward in Iraq that has largely been affirmed by the bipartisan Iraq Study Group led by James Baker and Lee Hamilton.
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/iraq/

I checked Govenor Romney's web site. It doesn't even mention Iraq. The closest I could find was this:
Defeating the Jihadists
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The defeat of this radical and violent faction of Islam must be achieved through a combination of American resolve, international effort, and the rejection of violence by moderate, modern, mainstream Muslims. An effective strategy will involve both military and diplomatic actions to support modern Muslim nations. America must help lead a broad-based international coalition that promotes secular education, modern financial and economic policies, international trade, and human rights.
http://www.mittromney.com/Issue-Watch/Defeating_the_jihadists

Here's Mayor Giuliani's:
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Like all Americans, Rudy Giuliani prays for the success of our troops in Iraq and their safe return home. But he believes setting an artificial timetable for withdrawal from Iraq now would be a terrible mistake, because it would only embolden our enemies. Iraq is only one front in the larger war on terror, and failure there would lead to a broader and bloodier regional conflict in the near future. Building an accountable Iraq will assist in reducing the threat of terrorism.
http://www.joinrudy2008.com/issues/

The Republican candidates don't even begin to get it. They are clueless. I trust American voters won't be.

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