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Pond Scum
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« Reply #120 on: May 18, 2008, 10:16:42 AM »

Well, i thank you for the very courteous reply.

I am just an average guy who knew almost nothing about any of this stuff until one day I stumbled upon the some witness statements from TWA 800. I didn't believe the witness statements were true when I read them so I started digging. It was the first conspiracy I ever researched. Some 200 hours later, I was not the same person I was before I read these statements.

I do not expect you to believe any particular piece of information, or any particular quote, or anything I might say, but in my opinion, the answers to the questions I asked you are all keys as to what is really going on in the world.

You can take that, or leave it. It is all up to you.

I had exactly the same reaction when I started reading about US History. I found that much of what I was being taught in HS was not true or deliberately misrepresented. Same goes for our "news" organizations. I used to believe what they "reported" as well. It didn't take long before I realized that finding out the truth on any subject was going to take a lot of time and reading.

The groups you mentioned are free to think, speak and write what they want. Of course some will have more influence than others but I do not believe Foundations in America control the worlds economic markets, the political direction of the US or decide who serves as the American peoples Representatives in Congress and the WH.

They are think tanks. They don't set our nations economic or foreign policies. Our elected Representatives do and they haven't been terribly effective at dealing with many of the problems facing our country. Even so, 80% are likely to be reelected in '08. I'm far less worried about think tanks than I am about ineffective leadership by our elected officials.

How can you make such claims when you admit that you have not bothered to research the CFR?

Who founded the CFR?

Where did they get their funding?

You couldn't answer a single question I asked about well respected people and what they said about the goals of these "elites."

Add to those questions what FDR's son in law said about the CFR and what he said about the great depression.

I don't expect you to just accept what these people said as the truth, but how can you judge what they said, when you don't even know what it was they said?

You are judging information without reading it.

I could post all of these quotes here, post all of the info I am referring to, but the truth is  more likely to be revealed when people do their own research. It is in the searching itself that the truth is revealed.

I will however, post a single piece of information for you to peruse............

Carrolll Quigley was a well respected historian, someone whom Bill Clinton called a mentor, which I guess explains why Clinton conagragulated both Strobe Talbot and Walter Cronkite on receiving the Global Governance Award. I bet most Americans have never heard of this award, let alone know who it's been awarded to, or why a deputy secretary of state was given the award in 1992.

Quigley graduated magna cum laude with MA and Ph.D. degrees from Harvard. He was even in Ripley's Believe It or Not for being Harvard's youngest person to receive a Ph.D. After teaching at Harvard and Princeton he went to Georgetown where for 28 consecutive years alumni selected him as their most influential professor. Dean of The School of Foreign Service, Dr. Peter F. Krough aptly states, 'He was one of the last of the great macro- historians who traced the development of civilization...with awesome capability.'

Thirty-five years ago, Bill Clinton's political-science mentor, Georgetown U. history prof. Carroll Quigley, author of Tragedy and Hope (1966), described this political end-game:

" ... The substantive financial powers of the world were in the hands of these investment bankers... who remained largely behind the scenes in their own unincorporated private banks. These formed a system of international co-operation and national dominance which was more private, more powerful and more secret than that of their agents in the central banks... In addition to these pragmatic goals, the powers of financial capitalism had another far reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalistic fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at infrequent private meetings and conferences. The apex of this system was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basle, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the world's central banks which were themselves private corporations..."

http://www.newswithviews.com/Wood/patrick4.htm

Of course one piece to a puzzle is not worth very much.

You need a lot of pieces if you want to see the big picture.

How many pieces do you have?
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« Reply #121 on: May 21, 2008, 12:30:23 PM »

What the hell do you know about "most" who opposed the war?

I read.


Yeah, read partisan rightwing rags, where you get all the rest of your outdated take on the war. In other words, your track record undermines your claims of knowing anything at all.


I stood in a crowd of a million of them in New York, so I think I know better than you.

I watched a crowd in NYC during one of the "candlelight vigils" in the Village myself. They looked like the same liberal crowd I saw at Bush's Inaugurations.

Heh, heh, you are actually making the claim that you know better because you know what they "looked like?" LOL! I wasn't in a "candlelight vigil" which only demonstrates your ignorance.


Even before he was sworn in many already seethed with hatred over the guy. "Selected not Elected" "Stolen Elections" "No Gravitas"  Any of this ring a bell?

No gravitas also turned out to be true. Incompetent, corrupt, liar. All were right and true. The country just caught up with us. Now, the 8 year investigation in search of a crime, that was the Republican attack on Clinton, THAT WAS PURE HATRED.

Trust me, three decades of reading is far more informative than standing amongst a group of liberals holding candles in NYC.

Three decades of reading about toilets doesn't make you an expert on volcanoes. Your reading about the war shows that reading about the war hasn't made you much of an expert on it.

Most who opposed the war, opposed it because on the basis of facts it was so obvious what a stupid, insane idea it was and that it was all based on lies. Everyone else just caught up with us. You still remain without a clue.
History has proved that in fact Bush did not lie. That Saddam had every intention of producing WMD and continuing to arm and fund international terrorists.

One should follow "history shows" with facts. You in your reading should have read that. History shows that you are totally full of crap.

The vast majority of those who opposed the war because "it was based on lies" are the ones who still haven't caught up with history.

Says the guy who lives in 2003.

Yes Irwin, I know exactly what most of the people who opposed the war believe. They believe the same lies you do.

I'm sorry, but your mind reading abilities have proven less than reliable.
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