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Author Topic: Dan Quayle Redux........  (Read 487 times)
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« Reply #15 on: May 22, 2008, 06:09:46 PM »


But the messiah/heir apparent to the throne gets a free pass.

Stuff like this tends to make me leery of what follows.
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« Reply #16 on: May 22, 2008, 07:31:12 PM »

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Or do you believe McCain was misquoted too?

No, McCain was quotes absolutely correct.

It was the implication that followed that is usually off. He said we could have troops there as we have had troops in Germany since WW2 and that could easily be the case.

And advocating diplomacy doesn't mean he'll sit down with terrorists.

You're right, the sound bytes aren't wrong but their implications usually are.

Obama is a black man...

If we call him dumb it will become a racial thing....

If he's dumb, prove it.

If you're just calling him dumb and don't back it up, can you blame people for thinking you're racist?

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deny it all you want but its factual that any and I mean ANY attack on Obama is viewed at and will be viewed as a racial attack on all blacks...

Actually, Clinton has been throwing some left hooks and I haven't heard a PEEP out of him...

... so I guess you're just talking out your ass... again.

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Just as Obama cant condem his pastor without condeming the black church as awhole whole. (thats obama's quote not mine)

... and we're back to Wright again...

Roll Eyes

And he didn't say that Reaganite. He said, "*I* can no more condemn him then I would the black community". He doesn't care if you condemn him.

The ironic thing is, is that the only people making this election about race are the people who say it's about race. Nothing from the Obama camp about it...

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The fact is Obama is very unpolished but the MSM will not jump on it because then they will be called RACIST!! lol.....

You're pathetic. Really... you kinda are.
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« Reply #17 on: May 23, 2008, 09:59:41 AM »


But the messiah/heir apparent to the throne gets a free pass.

Stuff like this tends to make me leery of what follows.
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QFT = quoted for truth.  Basically, "I agree."
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« Reply #18 on: May 23, 2008, 07:30:33 PM »

I always thought it meant "quite f'kn true"...

... but I guess it still has the same effect...
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« Reply #19 on: June 02, 2008, 08:03:50 AM »

Don't tell me there isn't something better.

OK.....since both have been in the Senate together......the most significant "Commander-in-Chief" moment was the "Surge or not-to-Surge" vote.

McCain votes for Surge.

Obama votes no-Surge....and withdrawal.

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« Reply #20 on: June 02, 2008, 10:39:40 AM »

and the surge has worked...
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« Reply #21 on: June 02, 2008, 09:58:41 PM »

and the surge has worked...

Difficult to say. Time will tell.

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Deaths per day from suicide attacks and vehicle bombs


Deaths per day from gunfire / executions


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« Reply #22 on: June 03, 2008, 08:07:35 AM »

Don't tell me there isn't something better.

OK.....since both have been in the Senate together......the most significant "Commander-in-Chief" moment was the "Surge or not-to-Surge" vote.

McCain votes for Surge.

Obama votes no-Surge....and withdrawal.

This isn't 2004. The election will not boil down to Iraq.

The economy and alternative energy are making strides in public preception... and there have been plenty of votes and quotes by each on those issues. Hell, McCain admits he's weak on the economy, which is actually kind of a decent thing to admit.

Personally, I'm still waiting for Social Security to become an issue, but seeing as NO ONE has a solution and NO ONE wants to be the guy to admit that, I guess I'll just keep "paying for my retirement"...


(I am SOOOOOOOOOO opening an IRA or 401K when I get a career)
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« Reply #23 on: June 03, 2008, 08:46:50 AM »

Don't tell me there isn't something better.

OK.....since both have been in the Senate together......the most significant "Commander-in-Chief" moment was the "Surge or not-to-Surge" vote.

McCain votes for Surge.

Obama votes no-Surge....and withdrawal.



No one gives a damn about the surge. Most folks believe Iraq was a mistake in the first place, made by a man that McCain is hugging one moment and pushing away the other.
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« Reply #24 on: June 03, 2008, 08:57:39 AM »

Sorry kids the dems based this election on iraq..

Dont you remember the primaries at all??

The debates where they faught over who would get out first??? come on do you really think the fact Obama has not been to iraq in 2 years and the fact at the time he said we had LOST is not goimng to play a role?

lol..
How about the fact that Obama thinsk Iran is too small a nation to be a threat to us?? How about the fact Obama does not know what languages are spoken in afganistan?  How about his willingness to BOMB pakistan?Huh?

This debate will be very much about the middle east and its a debate McCain (although I hate him) will school Obama in daily.

He will continue to ask obama to go with him to iraq... side by side to see the progress, and Obama will continue to decline because Obama CANNOT allow the people to see he was wrong.
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« Reply #25 on: June 03, 2008, 11:26:13 AM »

Sorry kids the dems based this election on iraq..

Not really. IIRC, their debates were mostly on healthcare and alternative energy.

It was the Republicans who were bickering over who would be "most" qualified to continue Bush's legacy in Iraq.

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Dont you remember the primaries at all??

Actually, I try to forget...

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The debates where they faught over who would get out first??? come on do you really think the fact Obama has not been to iraq in 2 years and the fact at the time he said we had LOST is not goimng to play a role?

lol..


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How about the fact that Obama thinsk Iran is too small a nation to be a threat to us??

Can I get a quote?

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How about the fact Obama does not know what languages are spoken in afganistan?

I'd like a quote about this too...

... and I'd also like to remind you that Condoleza Rice, Bush's own Secretary of State and McCain's primary choice for VP, said (and this is an actual quote), "I thought it would be tough, but I didn't think it would be this tough".

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How about his willingness to BOMB pakistan?Huh?

... yeah, I want a quote for this too.

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This debate will be very much about the middle east and its a debate McCain (although I hate him) will school Obama in daily.

I never said the Middle East won't be a factor, I just said it won't be a primary one.

And I think you're silly to say McCain will "school" him on Middle East debates. McCain has no definitive strategy in Iraq. He says he does and that it's partly based on the surge strategy... but that's hardly "schooling" Obama on anything. McCain has never shown any profound or enlightened understanding of the Middle East.

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He will continue to ask obama to go with him to iraq... side by side to see the progress, and Obama will continue to decline because Obama CANNOT allow the people to see he was wrong.

Can you expand on this? I'm not aware of such an arrangement.

I mean this honestly. I really never heard of this.
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« Reply #26 on: June 03, 2008, 11:40:45 AM »

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He will continue to ask obama to go with him to iraq... side by side to see the progress, and Obama will continue to decline because Obama CANNOT allow the people to see he was wrong.

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Posted by: Abraxas Can you expand on this? I'm not aware of such an arrangement.

I mean this honestly. I really never heard of this.

McCain invites Obama to visit post-surge Iraq

ALBUQUERQUE, NM — It’s been nearly 29 months since Sen. Barack Obama made his first and only visit to Iraq and the McCain campaign believes that their likely Democratic rival needs to take a second look.

“Senator Obama keeps talking about an immediate withdrawal as soon as he gets to be president. The last time I understand he was in Iraq was in 2006. I would recommend that he go back. So much has happened since 2006 on the ground. It’s been extraordinary,” Sen. Lindsey Graham, a close McCain ally, told CBS Face the Nation yesterday. “I think if he would look at what’s happened in Iraq, talk to General Petraeus and (Prime Minister) Maliki, I think he would have a different view of what you need to do next.”

Graham even went so far as to invite Obama–who was last in Iraq in January 2006 as sectarian violence was raging and a year before the surge was implemented–to join McCain for a joint trip.

While the chances of seeing Obama and McCain grab a falafel together in a Baghdad market any time soon is very unlikely, the McCain campaign plans to push Obama’s lack of recent on the ground experience this week. The campaign sees this as another way to paint Obama as weak and inexperienced on foreign policy issues and argue that Obama’s call for a troop withdrawal is not backed up the most recent facts on the ground.

In contrast with Obama, McCain has flown to Iraq eight times since 2003, most recently visiting the country in March.

***UPDATE 7pm: McCain follows up on Graham comments in interview with the AP***

“Look at what happened in the last two years since Senator Obama visited and declared the war lost,” the GOP nominee-in-waiting told The Associated Press in an interview, noting that the Illinois senator’s last trip to Iraq came before the military buildup that is credited with curbing violence.

“He really has no experience or knowledge or judgment about the issue of Iraq and he has wanted to surrender for a long time,” the Arizona senator added. “If there was any other issue before the American people, and you hadn’t had anything to do with it in a couple of years, I think the American people would judge that very harshly.”

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“For him to talk about dates for withdrawal, which basically is surrender in Iraq after we’re succeeding so well is, I think, really inexcusable,” said McCain, who has been to Iraq eight times, most recently in March.

Over the weekend, Sen. Lindsey Graham, one of McCain’s top surrogates, laid the groundwork for McCain’s criticism in a television interview in which he noted Obama’s absence from Iraq and floated the idea that Obama and McCain should go together to be briefed by Gen. David Petraeus, the top U.S. commander in Iraq, and Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki.

Asked whether he’d be willing to take such a trip, McCain told the AP: “Sure. It would be fine.”

“I go back every few months because things are changing in Iraq,” he said. McCain questioned whether Obama has ever been briefed by Petraeus. “I would also seize that opportunity to educate Senator Obama along the way.”


Obama spokesman Bill Burton declined to respond directly to McCain.

“Senator Obama thinks Memorial Day is a day to honor our nation’s veterans, not a day for political posturing,” Burton said.

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« Reply #27 on: June 03, 2008, 11:48:01 AM »

Abraxas read the original post .. then copy paste the quote and put in "" and search google.. you will get all the links you want.
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« Reply #28 on: June 03, 2008, 11:50:50 AM »

Abraxas read the original post .. then copy paste the quote and put in "" and search google.. you will get all the links you want.
So in other words you want him to research your claims.  Nice.
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« Reply #29 on: June 03, 2008, 11:55:02 AM »

Abraxas read the original post .. then copy paste the quote and put in "" and search google.. you will get all the links you want.
So in other words you want him to research your claims.  Nice.

No i did not make the claims... But unless you state THE QUOTES are LIES why should I have to look them up?

here is a link
http://www.itsallpolitics.com/forum/index.php?topic=2273.15

In that link are the quotes... see.. I can link them easily huh? Now if you want full news stories about the quotes go look heh.
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