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in which way the idea of the God-sent Hitler is "indefensible" ? Is there a way to refute it? While remaining a believer? How can anyone vouch that GOD did, or did not, cause an event? What is McCain's source of knowledge about God's relation to the Holocaust, the Super Ball, or the invention of anal vibrators ? Both commentators display lack of humility in giving assessments to God's actions. Or inactions. How "indefensible" is the idea that God exterminated the entire humanity, save for a few persons, in a strike of anger? How "indefensible" is the idea that God mortified entire populations because of their sexual lifestyles? How indefensible is the idea that God directly instructed certain groups to physically exterminate other groups? For faithful mind, there is nothing shocking, surprising or "indefensible" in the idea of a God-inspired Hitler. MaCain should apologize before the Lord of Whose actions his info is third-hand at best.
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« Reply #16 on: May 25, 2008, 06:04:09 AM » |
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McCain has seeked out a (well known) controversal preecher and accepted his endorsement, hoping all it would do is get him votes among ultra right wing (have you heard his stuff?) religion devotees... and then dropped him just as quickly cause people started hearing the sruff he was saying.
All Obama did was stand by a close friend... until he truely lost his marbles in the spotlight. First, 'well known' as a 'controversial' preacher? I've never heard of him. I suppose you haven't either. So he wasn't THAT well known. And yes, Obama not only stood by a man, he apparently had no problem with his radical preaching of hate as he sat there for 20 years. With McCain, we don't KNOW that he knew about said preacher but with Obama, we do know. We also know that he lied as to the extent that he did know, which makes it even worse. |
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« Reply #17 on: May 25, 2008, 07:01:25 AM » |
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First, 'well known' as a 'controversial' preacher? I've never heard of him. I suppose you haven't either. So he wasn't THAT well known.
And yes, Obama not only stood by a man, he apparently had no problem with his radical preaching of hate as he sat there for 20 years.
With McCain, we don't KNOW that he knew about said preacher but with Obama, we do know. We also know that he lied as to the extent that he did know, which makes it even worse.
Obviously you will see everything your boy McSame does in a favorable light. And everything done by any Democrat in a bad light. It would be refreshing if you could be bipartisan in this. It is completely unbelievable that a national candidate and his staff was unaware of how they were courting for an endorsement. If they honestly did not know the total incompetence demonstrated in that is amazing. But I do not honestly think you will ever look at a Republican's failings. |
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« Reply #18 on: May 25, 2008, 10:40:50 AM » |
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Obviously you will see everything your boy McSame does in a favorable light. And everything done by any Democrat in a bad light. It would be refreshing if you could be bipartisan in this. It is completely unbelievable that a national candidate and his staff was unaware of how they were courting for an endorsement. If they honestly did not know the total incompetence demonstrated in that is amazing. But I do not honestly think you will ever look at a Republican's failings. You are comparing a man who sought an endorsement from an influential pastor (the same endorsement the other Republicans sought) with a man who had a close friend, who attended service for 20 years, who KNEW without doubt what the pastor was all about? They may be similar on their faces only. |
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« Reply #19 on: May 25, 2008, 12:15:43 PM » |
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First, 'well known' as a 'controversial' preacher? I've never heard of him. I suppose you haven't either. So he wasn't THAT well known. As SOON as McCain got the endorsement things went FLYING about the things Hagee had been saying. Don't tell me he didn't research the guy first. If he didn't, then he doesn't deserve to be president anyway. And yes, Obama not only stood by a man, he apparently had no problem with his radical preaching of hate as he sat there for 20 years. Actually, he did, he just wasn't ready to leave him because of the kind of friend he was. I have MANY friends I don't agree with, some are almost fanatical in their racism (for instance) and I disagree a lot with what they say, but there still friends to me and as long as what they say doesn't enganger me, I'll stay friends with them. With McCain, we don't KNOW that he knew about said preacher but with Obama, we do know. We also know that he lied as to the extent that he did know, which makes it even worse.
Again, once it broke that McCain recieved and accepted a nomination from Hagee the articles started flying. Even Stephenopolous (that ass hat) asked about him. Of course, he didn't press on the issue, he just said mentioned it cause by then people were aware of Hagee. McCain replied, "I accepted his nomination". So now we have a person who only cares about Hagee's endorsement as far as it applies to him and the benefits of Hagee's followers' votes... and that he would drop Hagee like a hot potato once people actually started listening to him. Just look at the way he's hemoriging top campaign advisors once people hear they are/were powerful lobbyists. McCain is careless and fickle and will do anything to win. He's Clinton. |
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« Reply #20 on: May 25, 2008, 04:21:59 PM » |
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McCain is careless and fickle and will do anything to win.
He's Clinton.
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« Reply #21 on: May 25, 2008, 04:30:26 PM » |
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First, 'well known' as a 'controversial' preacher? I've never heard of him. I suppose you haven't either. So he wasn't THAT well known. As SOON as McCain got the endorsement things went FLYING about the things Hagee had been saying. Don't tell me he didn't research the guy first. If he didn't, then he doesn't deserve to be president anyway. And yes, Obama not only stood by a man, he apparently had no problem with his radical preaching of hate as he sat there for 20 years. Actually, he did, he just wasn't ready to leave him because of the kind of friend he was. I have MANY friends I don't agree with, some are almost fanatical in their racism (for instance) and I disagree a lot with what they say, but there still friends to me and as long as what they say doesn't enganger me, I'll stay friends with them. With McCain, we don't KNOW that he knew about said preacher but with Obama, we do know. We also know that he lied as to the extent that he did know, which makes it even worse.
Again, once it broke that McCain recieved and accepted a nomination from Hagee the articles started flying. Even Stephenopolous (that ass hat) asked about him. Of course, he didn't press on the issue, he just said mentioned it cause by then people were aware of Hagee. McCain replied, "I accepted his nomination". So now we have a person who only cares about Hagee's endorsement as far as it applies to him and the benefits of Hagee's followers' votes... and that he would drop Hagee like a hot potato once people actually started listening to him. Just look at the way he's hemoriging top campaign advisors once people hear they are/were powerful lobbyists. McCain is careless and fickle and will do anything to win.He's Clinton. aren't all politicians in that boat...that is doing anything to win? |
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« Reply #22 on: May 25, 2008, 05:07:41 PM » |
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aren't all politicians in that boat...that is doing anything to win? Without a doubt. I'm just commenting on those who think Obama's situation was worse. If nothing else, they are equally bad. |
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« Reply #23 on: May 25, 2008, 07:05:30 PM » |
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And he's Bush. That is the talking point although the facts clearly don't support it. We can only hope the next president is as dedicated to the security of this country as was/is Bush. |
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« Reply #24 on: May 25, 2008, 08:19:28 PM » |
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I would prefer someone that was interested in actual conservative policies before someone that plays the fear card against his own people like Bush did.
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« Reply #25 on: May 25, 2008, 09:53:20 PM » |
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We can only hope the next president is as dedicated to the security of this country as was/is Bush.
Security? We're no better than we were on September 11th, neue. |
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« Reply #26 on: May 25, 2008, 10:19:36 PM » |
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Hagee seems like a moderate and rational sort of fellow  Hagee had said the Nazis "operated on God's behalf" to drive the Jews from Europe. He has described the Catholic church as a "great whore", and blamed Hurricane Katrina on gay people. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/may/24/johnmccain.uselections2008More worrying than what he actually says is; John Hagee, who leads a church of 19,000 in San Antonio and has a national television presence
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« Reply #27 on: May 26, 2008, 05:19:41 AM » |
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And he's Bush. That is the talking point although the facts clearly don't support it. We can only hope the next president is as dedicated to the security of this country as was/is Bush. What are you smoking Neue? |
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« Reply #28 on: May 26, 2008, 05:51:15 AM » |
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Security?
We're no better than we were on September 11th, neue. I disagree. The simple fact we are chasing, capturing and killing them is an improvement over the policy of...well, nothing. There are two things that need to be done, though. We need to finish Iraq and get out. Second, we need to get off oil and be done with that part of the world. |
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« Reply #29 on: May 26, 2008, 06:09:14 AM » |
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There are two things that need to be done, though. We need to finish Iraq and get out. Second, we need to get off oil and be done with that part of the world.
And if you think your boy Bushy had any intentions of either, you are completely delusional. And not as smart as I had given you credit for. |
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