Jsharp29
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« on: September 23, 2007, 05:07:20 PM » |
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NY Times admits it gave MoveOn a price break it shouldn't have. With all of the talk about corporate ownership of the media and media bias, where is the wailing and gnashing of teeth from the left on this? "I think the ad violated The Times' own written standards, and the paper now says that the advertiser got a price break it was not entitled to," wrote Clark Hoyt, who analyzes the newspaper's coverage as the "readers' representative." oh, but if it were the other way around..........
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« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2007, 05:12:04 PM » |
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Thanks for supplying some wailing and gnashing of teeth from the right, Sharpe. By the way, Michael Kinsley has a pretty amusing response to the right-wing brew-haha that they created about Moveon's witless ad concerning Petraeus. Here's the beginning of it: Goodness gracious. oh, my paws and whiskers. Some of the meanest, most ornery hombres around are suddenly feeling faint. Notorious tough guys are swooning with the vapors. The biggest beasts in the barnyard are all aflutter over something they read in the New York Times. It's that ad from MoveOn.org — the one that calls General David Petraeus, the head of U.S. forces in Iraq, general betray us. All across the radio spectrum, right-wing shock jocks are themselves shocked. How could anybody say such a thing? It's horrifying. It's outrageous. It's disgraceful. It's just beyond the pale ... It's ... oh, my heavens ... say, is it a bit stuffy in here? ... I think I'm going to ... Could I have a glass of ... oh, dear [thud].
Welcome to the wonderful world of umbrage, the new language of American politics. You would not have thought that the likes of Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Reilly would be so sensitive. Sticks and stones and so on. Yet they all seem to have taken one look at that ad and fainted dead away. And when they came round, they demanded — as if with one voice (or at least as if with one list of talking points) — that every Democratic presidential candidate must "condemn" this shocking, shocking document.
The ad is pretty tough, and the pun on the general's name is pretty witless. You could argue that since the verb betray and the noun traitor have the same root, the ad is accusing the head of American forces in Iraq of treason. The ad can also be interpreted — more plausibly if you consider the rest of the text — merely as questioning the general's honesty, not his patriotism. But whatever your interpretation of the ad, all the gasping for air and waving of scented handkerchiefs among the war's most enthusiastic supporters is pretty comical.
All this drawing of uncrossable lines and issuing of fatuous fatwas is supposed to be a bad habit of the left. When right-wingers are attacking this habit rather than practicing it, they call it political correctness. The problem with political correctness is that it turns discussions of substance into arguments over etiquette. The last thing that supporters of the war want to talk about at this point is the war. They'd far rather talk about this insult to General Petraeus. It just isn't done in polite society, it seems, to criticize a general in the middle of a war. (Although, when else?) rest of article is here. http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1663424,00.htmlWelcome to political correctness, Republican style.
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Jsharp29
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« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2007, 05:32:16 PM » |
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Thanks for supplying some wailing and gnashing of teeth from the right, Sharpe.
Whatever.....I just like to see the same standards applied across the board. Funny thing is is that you haven't refuted my statement....because you know it's true. It's Sharp, btw.....common mistake.
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« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2007, 05:36:34 PM » |
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The NYTs has simply been caught (again) but no one is surprised. Once this blows over, we'll get back to the 'what liberal media' mantras. Hell, it wasn't a month before everyone forgot about Jason Blair.
Memories are short.
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« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2007, 05:56:03 PM » |
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MoveOn.org Says It Will Pay Times More for Controversial Ad By Alison Vekshin Sept. 23 (Bloomberg) -- The activist group MoveOn.org said it will pay the New York Times $77,083 to make up the difference between what it paid for an advertisement attacking U.S. Army General David Petraeus and the regular ad rate. The group acted after the newspaper's public editor wrote in a column today that the controversial full-page advertisement on Sept. 10 violated standards on content and the price given to MoveOn.org wasn't proper under Times policies. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=awa2v3hs.xJE&refer=home Hmmm, admission and restitution. How often do we see that on the political right?
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« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2007, 06:19:52 PM » |
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MoveOn.org Says It Will Pay Times More for Controversial Ad By Alison Vekshin Sept. 23 (Bloomberg) -- The activist group MoveOn.org said it will pay the New York Times $77,083 to make up the difference between what it paid for an advertisement attacking U.S. Army General David Petraeus and the regular ad rate. The group acted after the newspaper's public editor wrote in a column today that the controversial full-page advertisement on Sept. 10 violated standards on content and the price given to MoveOn.org wasn't proper under Times policies. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=awa2v3hs.xJE&refer=home Hmmm, admission and restitution. How often do we see that on the political right? They are doing it because they were caught. Journalism and politics (across the spectrum) both have the ethics of sewer rats. OswaldTheOsprey
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« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2007, 06:21:23 PM » |
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NY Times admits it gave MoveOn a price break it shouldn't have. With all of the talk about corporate ownership of the media and media bias, where is the wailing and gnashing of teeth from the left on this? "I think the ad violated The Times' own written standards, and the paper now says that the advertiser got a price break it was not entitled to," wrote Clark Hoyt, who analyzes the newspaper's coverage as the "readers' representative." oh, but if it were the other way around.......... 1. They said it was a mistake. 2. NY times got a lot of flack for the ad when it was run. 3. NY times has a long standing reputation of objectivity. Just type in Moveon.org in the NYtimes search bar and you will find all the balance in opinion that you need.
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« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2007, 03:19:39 PM » |
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NY Times admits it gave MoveOn a price break it shouldn't have. With all of the talk about corporate ownership of the media and media bias, where is the wailing and gnashing of teeth from the left on this? "I think the ad violated The Times' own written standards, and the paper now says that the advertiser got a price break it was not entitled to," wrote Clark Hoyt, who analyzes the newspaper's coverage as the "readers' representative." oh, but if it were the other way around.......... 1. They said it was a mistake. lol, what a convenient mistake 
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« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2007, 03:28:46 PM » |
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Of course they are going to admit it was a mistake. But what's done is done. They gave them the discount because they are biased. They'd do it again tommorow if it meant harming the war/Bush.
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« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2007, 05:50:21 PM » |
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Of course they are going to admit it was a mistake. I agree. Of course they are. They have principles. They are concerned with their reputation. As opposed to, say, Fox "News". Or the Bush Administration.
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« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2007, 06:16:13 PM » |
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I agree. Of course they are. They have principles. They are concerned with their reputation. As opposed to, say, Fox "News". Or the Bush Administration. As far as I know, Fox hasn't been caught with a 'journalist' making up stories.
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« Reply #11 on: September 24, 2007, 06:26:59 PM » |
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As far as I know, Fox hasn't been caught with a 'journalist' making up stories.
Well, someone at Fox has been: Iraq War A year-long study by the University of Maryland's Program on International Policy Attitudes (PIPA)[9] reported that Americans who relied on the Fox News Channel for their coverage of the Iraq war were the most likely to believe misinformation about the war, whatever their political affiliation may be. Those mistaken facts, the study found, increased viewers' support for the war.
The study found that, in general, people who watched Fox News were, more than for other sources, convinced of several untrue propositions which were actively promoted by the Bush administration and the cheerleading media led by Fox, in rallying support for the invasion of Iraq:
(percentages are of all poll respondents, not just Fox watchers)
Fifty-seven percent believed the falsity that Iraq gave substantial support to Al-Qaida, or was directly involved in the September 11 attacks (48% after invasion). Sixty-nine percent believed the falsity that Saddam Hussein was personally involved in the September 11 attacks. Twenty-two percent believed the falsity that weapons of mass destruction had been found in Iraq. (Twenty-one percent believed that chem/bio weapons had actually been used against U.S. soldiers in Iraq during 2003) In the composite analysis of the PIPA study, 80 percent of Fox News watchers had one of more of these misperceptions, in contrast to 71 percent for CBS and 27 percent who tuned to NPR/PBS. http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Fox_NewsThey don't just "make up" stories. They have a deliberate agenda to serve a political purpose and they aggressively pursue it.
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« Reply #12 on: September 24, 2007, 06:30:06 PM » |
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I appreciate that study but it's worthless in this context if you cannot point out WHO reported false information. With youtube, it should be easy to put your hands on...
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« Reply #13 on: September 24, 2007, 06:36:24 PM » |
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As far as I know, Fox hasn't been caught with a 'journalist' making up stories.
Well, someone at Fox has been: Iraq War A year-long study by the University of Maryland's Program on International Policy Attitudes (PIPA)[9] reported that Americans who relied on the Fox News Channel for their coverage of the Iraq war were the most likely to believe misinformation about the war, whatever their political affiliation may be. Those mistaken facts, the study found, increased viewers' support for the war.
The study found that, in general, people who watched Fox News were, more than for other sources, convinced of several untrue propositions which were actively promoted by the Bush administration and the cheerleading media led by Fox, in rallying support for the invasion of Iraq:
(percentages are of all poll respondents, not just Fox watchers)
Fifty-seven percent believed the falsity that Iraq gave substantial support to Al-Qaida, or was directly involved in the September 11 attacks (48% after invasion). Sixty-nine percent believed the falsity that Saddam Hussein was personally involved in the September 11 attacks. Twenty-two percent believed the falsity that weapons of mass destruction had been found in Iraq. (Twenty-one percent believed that chem/bio weapons had actually been used against U.S. soldiers in Iraq during 2003) In the composite analysis of the PIPA study, 80 percent of Fox News watchers had one of more of these misperceptions, in contrast to 71 percent for CBS and 27 percent who tuned to NPR/PBS. http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Fox_NewsThey don't just "make up" stories. They have a deliberate agenda to serve a political purpose and they aggressively pursue it. i watch alot of fox news and can say your poll is wrong. i have never heard these accusations on the fox news channel. never! its all BS blantant BS at that.
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« Reply #14 on: September 24, 2007, 06:57:09 PM » |
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i watch alot of fox news and can say your poll is wrong. i have never heard these accusations on the fox news channel. never! its all BS blantant BS at that. Thank you for your well-sourced, well-documented opinions.
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