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kactus
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« Reply #90 on: June 06, 2008, 12:03:14 PM »

Um Patton hate to burst your bubble but Lebanon was a true democracy, now it is called into question but only because of invasion by Hezbollah caused by Iran - which fomented civil war between the various ethnic//religious groups in that country.

But until Iran invaded covertly, Lebanon was a democratic state in the muslim middle east.

Technically so is Turkey - also in the muslim middle east.  But both Turkey and Lebanon do not hold the same weight against Iran that Iraq does.

LOL  Grin Grin Grin This is about as bad as it can get on a US forum. First time I hear Iran invaded Lebanon covertly. Jeez is this some kind of conspiracy theory flavour of the month?
Turkey is a member of NATO ffs and you claim that they do not have the same weight as Iraq does? Sanity get me outa here.
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« Reply #91 on: June 06, 2008, 12:19:19 PM »

Why would either Turkey or Lebanon for that matter fear Iran? Sanity get me outa here.

Why would Lebanon fear Iran? Is this a trick question? Has Iran not run Hezbollah..that is a state within the state of Lebanon, for decades? The Israeli invasion in the summer of 2006, was that an invasion against the government of Lebanon or Iranian backed Hezbollah? Pay attention, kactus. This spring just saw a near civil war spark up between Shia Hezbollah supporters and Sunni Lebanese government supporters.

Sanity needs to get you outta here and place you in the dust bin of nonsense. That's exactly all this argument is. It's f'n clueless.
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« Reply #92 on: June 06, 2008, 12:33:47 PM »

Why would either Turkey or Lebanon for that matter fear Iran? Sanity get me outa here.

Why would Lebanon fear Iran? Is this a trick question? Has Iran not run Hezbollah..that is a state within the state of Lebanon, for decades? The Israeli invasion in the summer of 2006, was that an invasion against the government of Lebanon or Iranian backed Hezbollah? Pay attention, kactus. This spring just saw a near civil war spark up between Shia Hezbollah supporters and Sunni Lebanese government supporters.

Sanity needs to get you outta here and place you in the dust bin of nonsense. That's exactly all this argument is. It's f'n clueless.

You can stick YOUR argument back in dust bin and put a lid on it so it doesn't smell. As for the rest it's not even worthy of a response. Attempting to get mud stick to the wall it's not gonna work.
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« Reply #93 on: June 06, 2008, 12:41:10 PM »

You can stick YOUR argument back in dust bin and put a lid on it so it doesn't smell. As for the rest it's not even worthy of a response. Attempting to get mud stick to the wall it's not gonna work.

Mud on the wall? Perhaps a link will help then.

http://www.michaeltotten.com/archives/2008/05/lebanons-third.php

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The third civil war resembles both the first and the second. With Iranian money and weapons, Hezbollah has built its own state-within-a-state in South Lebanon and South Beirut which is used as a base to wage war against Israel. Hezbollah also wishes to violently yank Lebanon from its current pro-Western alignment into the Syrian-Iranian axis. Roughly one-fourth of the population supports this agenda. No country on earth can withstand that kind of geopolitical tectonic pressure. For more than a year members of Hezbollah have tried unsuccessfully to topple the elected government with a minimal use of force, but their patience is at an end and they have turned to war.

What was that last part? For more than a year, this Iranian backed Hezbollah is trying to topple the elected Lebanese government? Gee, what would Lebanon have to fear form Iran...kactus....you clueless unresearched forum member. Read, Boy, READ!
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« Reply #94 on: June 06, 2008, 12:43:17 PM »

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=90312188

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Lebanon hoped to never again find itself in the grip of a civil war after a 15-year civil war there ended in 1990. Today, it is staring at that very possibility. Fighting on the streets in Beirut, the capital, is the worst since the end of the war. Hezbollah gunmen are now in control of most of the Muslim part of the city.

But kactus asks, what would Lebanon have to fear from Iran?

HELLO!
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« Reply #95 on: June 06, 2008, 12:47:28 PM »

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24521469/

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BEIRUT, Lebanon - Shiite Hezbollah supporters and the Lebanese government’s Sunni backers clashed with machine guns and rocket-propelled grenades Thursday in battles that spread through Beirut’s streets soon after Hezbollah’s leader vowed to fight any attempt to disarm his men.

Mind you....the stuff I'm linking to here....it's just recent, only in the last few months. NEverminf the decades long civil strife or many Israeli occupations as they stomp thru Lebanon Proper looking for Iranian backed Hezbollah. Yeah.......Lebanon has nothing to fear from Iran whatsoever?

F'n clueless statement, this is close to the all time winner, I'm gonna have to consult the judges.
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« Reply #96 on: June 06, 2008, 12:50:55 PM »

http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/civil-war-fear-as-toll-rises-in-lebanon/2008/05/10/1210131305154.html

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Lebanon's Iranian-backed Shiite movement Hezbollah tightened its control of the capital Beirut today in a show of force after it routed gunmen loyal to the Western-backed government.

Hezbollah's successes in three days of fighting have left the government of Fouad Siniora reeling and made clear that a more powerful Hezbollah is now calling the shots in Lebanon after a 17-month power struggle with the government.

Left the government of Fouad Siniora reeling but.....Lebanon has nothing to be frightened about from Iran huh.......kactus.

Should a clue-wagon roll by, jump on one, okay?

<reality/kactus' arguments> Roll Eyes
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« Reply #97 on: June 06, 2008, 12:55:51 PM »

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/may/11/lebanon?gusrc=rss&feed=networkfront

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Turkey and Kuwait have already begun evacuating their citizens through Lebanon's northern border with Syria, the only open route out of the country. The road to Lebanon's airport has been blocked since Wednesday by Hizbollah supporters. Other land routes are cut off, and the Beirut port is also shut.

As offices in west Beirut, the heart of Sunni power in Lebanon, belonging to parliamentary leader Saad Hariri lay torched and bullet riddled, Hizbollah fighters encircled the government building and Hariri's residence, demanding the prime minister's resignation.

'This is an Iranian takeover of an Arab capital,' said a senior source inside Hariri's Qoreitem residence. 'Any Beirut government now knows that it lives under the barrel of the gun if it takes a decision against Iran.'

Hizbollah, which is armed and financed by Iran and is a strategic partner of Syria, has been leading opposition to the Sunni-led government, backed by the US, France and Saudi Arabia, having resigned from cabinet three months after its 'Divine Victory' in a month-long war with Israel in July 2006.

Had enough or...would you like to withdraw that statement of yours that is founded in absolute cluelessness and outright stupidity. No, I'll withdraw the stupidity, I think you're plenty smart. You just don't have the slightest f'n idea what you're talking about!

Ridiculous!
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« Reply #98 on: June 07, 2008, 08:59:14 AM »

As in most things in life there are no absolutes....Turkey and Lebanon were treated differently under the mandates of WWI so their political evolution is not surprising.

Those nation states created as Kingdoms and those driven theocratically Muslim are the ones genetically adverse to democracy.

Those wanting democracy there are entitled to their dreams.
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